What is he doing wrong, and how can accidents like this be prevented other than staying out of high winds with a lack of experience? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeztcqfpKog
you answered your question. loop the kite to keep it powered up, but it looks
like it was a fixed bridal kite, not the best choice for jumping big. so to answer your question everything was wrong, wrong kite, wrong wind, wrong
pilot.
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This happens when people DON'T listen to the OGs. " I wanna jump" and " I don't want to waste my money on a little kite". darwin comes
home to roost sometimes.... LOL
Do a bit of research here on the forum, and you will find the answer to your question.
Sorry, now that the button has been pushed..........the fact that you have to ask is nothing more than the simple proof that you are not, should not,
and will never be, a person I would want to fly with, around, or in the same town with. The only thing that the idiot had on his side in the video is
the fact that his legs stayed under him upon impact. Imagine his head being the first thing to hit the ground.
I Could go on and on about this, now search the forum and get a clue my friend.
But since you asked what could have prevented this accident, NOTHING. WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT, I CAN COME UP WITH 15 THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO
THE EVENT. nuff said.
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That's the edited version. The original had them freaking out running to help (camera at the ground, I think) and him gasping for air and moaning in
agony. I think someone calls for ambulance (camera shuts off). YUP, Stupid!
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I've been on the forum for a while now and have done plenty of research. I just wanted some more opinions.. The best way to stay safe is prevention,
he never should have been in the position he was in. What I was asking more or less is what can be done if for some reason you catch a gust of wind
during a jump and are put into a similar position. What do you do if you are in the air higher than you feel comfortable?
Said it before and I'll say it again - you're mad to do that kind of thing and asking for injuries.
It looks to me like he was lobbed by a gust so there's nothing he COULD have done - the lines would be slack at the crucial moment, like someone said.
So you couldn't loop or redirect the kite even if you wanted to... dirty wind doesn't help at all.
You want to jump big? Get a board and get on the water... the landings aren't so punishing. Or jump off sand dunes in light wind with a big kite.
Originally posted by generotti
What do you do if you are in the air higher than you feel comfortable?
pray for a soft spot to land. really that's it. you increase the risk of this happening if you choose to do the jumping thing. except the risk or
choose a safer kiting activity.
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accident |ˈaksidənt| noun
1 an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury:
.... it happens to the best ....... You can find some videos where seasoned kiters do stupid mistakes or conditions change unexpectedly ..... and
its easy to see all don'ts when you watch video and dont know whole story....
... So.... this guy maybe is a very good kiter .... maybe he kite all day long with this kite on this location and never was able to jump higher
then 3' .... then wind start blowing ... he jump 4' ... then 5' ...... all excited ..... and finally single stupid gust lift him up and drop
like a rock ..... its hard to prevent accidents like this .... I am just sad that I dont see hamlet on his head ,,,,
... It almost happened to me .....
I was flying 19m when after all day of straggling wind picked up .... It was so much fun ...... then one gust lift me up ..... then another
...... I pull safety just in time before next big 55mph gust ..... there was 10 another kiters that get lifted by this one ...... high .... very
high .... thankfully nothing happened to anyone ....
After arriving home I check wind data ,,,, Thin whole day wind did no go above 20mph ...... except those 3 gusts .....
....For me its very important to wear protective gear , try not to kite alone, know you limits, and keep eye on changing wind conditions ....
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Some of you are being quite harsh with the original poster. He was basically asking what you would have done in this situation. This isn't him in
this video. He didn't cause the accident. I'm sure he doesn't want to be in a situation like this.
Gusts can be a bummer. I've never jumped like that, but I have had the kite ripped from my hands a few times. Even a 2' jump that is unintentional
is not fun. If I feel like I am no longer in control of the situation, I am no longer enjoying myself, and I put the kite down.
I agree with Jason. I don't think that the poster is a part of the video experience, but is using it as a tool for discussion.
Even the best of us have been spanked by the wind even in the most ideal of conditions, so it's not unreasonable to have a good discourse on what
happened and what should have been done to prevent it. This is a good way for new flyers to learn of the dangers that our sport presents and to see
first hand what can happen quickly and without warning.
Do you ever read any of the NTSB Accident Reports? They're fascinating to read not for their morbidity, but from the thought processes that they
evoke. Simply put, it allows you to put yourself in that position and imagine what you would have done differently. When you're a new aviation pilot,
the obvious solutions aren't so obvious, but as you gain experience, the wisest courses of actions become plain and evident.
In this case, the pilot was made a series of bad decisions.... no helmet, flying a kite that is clearly too large for the wind conditions, flying in
gusty wind and so on. I cannot imagine that this person landed without any injury and if he did, I would be amazed.
What if you didn't even want to jump and were coming in to put it down...(with lots of others kiting in same winds)...But.. what could you have done
to prevent this?
*Anothor Scary classic kite video:
All new kiters should see these films just like I had to watch "Death on the Highway" film at driving school before I got my drivers licence at 16
1/2.
It might stop some from ever doing-not meaning to scare them off completely after watching-but it least they'll understand the cautions fully.
Originally posted by generotti
I've been on the forum for a while now and have done plenty of research. I just wanted some more opinions.. The best way to stay safe is prevention,
he never should have been in the position he was in. What I was asking more or less is what can be done if for some reason you catch a gust of wind
during a jump and are put into a similar position. What do you do if you are in the air higher than you feel comfortable?
If you find yourself unintentionally lofted then you're nothing more than a passenger. Fate had already been written when you got up that morning to
go jump.
Prevention is better than the cure. Gusty inland winds can and do kill. There's usually one fatality per year from static jumping.
The appeal of jumping is too strong for anyone to resist. Even now I like to static jump at the beach. It's great fun but I learnt the hard way about
gusts. Back in 1999 I had to drive myself to hospital after being savagely lofted. I launched a Blade 4.9 in 35mph winds (dumb) and landed with
probably about 30mph horizonal speed onto some exposed bedrock and busted my ankle wide open. I've never before or since felt pain like it. I admit
that once I got in the car and away from onlookers, I cried with pain.
Avoid gusts like the plague. Myself and others have been through these accidents for you so you don't have to.
What makes a good pilot is not skill but understanding the wind.
Big Kid that was a bit harsh (uncalled for) a response for someone asking a question about a video. He didn't make the video, fly the kite or even
say he wanted to jump. The other responses have been right on target. More experience, better conditions, helmet. Knowledge not to be doing that in
those conditions.
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What bearmerbob said Being a newer member on the forum I have noticed
that several forum members are rude when we ask questions. I am sometimes afraid to post a question out of fear of a bashing
I am happy to wake up to clearer heads on this topic.
I agree that dumping on this poster for starting a discussion on safety was very unfair. We all had questions getting started . It is the folks who
don't ask questions like this but just go out and try to jump like on Utube that we need to get down on.
Nobody got all on BigKids case when he nearly killed himself. Why does he feel compelled to jump all over others that are entering the sport and
asking the right questions?
I think about the response "a bit harsh" and I wonder how it feels to the guys mom and dad standing next to the kid in the hospital. A bit harsh, this
is a sport that doesn't have a do over button. If we were talking about Chess or Monopoly, yes, I was to harsh.
I have to laugh at the condom post, because I was thinking in response to a few months later.
Better yet, Why ask us? Why not ask the person in the video, or at least the person who filmed it. That is what I would do, and along the main
questing, I would ask a few others.
And I would go back in about 10 years and ask again. With all the pride and fearless attitude gone and replaced with pain and limited movement, see if
he still has the same outlook.
I have bought kites that have arrived with the customs label of "TOY" on it, while others come with a full page of what not to do and a disclaimer
basically saying, "kites can kill if you are stupid".
I think the "Toy" label is a bit harsh.
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Jeff was a little harsh, but I think most of us know Jeff and know that he is sort of a tough love kind of guy I hope the poster did take me wrong, just giving an honest answer. he did mention in his 3rd post "What I was asking
more or less is what can be done if for some reason you catch a gust of wind during a jump and are put into a similar position. What do you do if you
are in the air higher than you feel comfortable?" well jumping is like...... well inducing labor what im trying to say is if he didn't take the jump it more than likely would not have happened, the handles
would have probably ripped from his hands. so it's simple, if your going to jump....except the risks. and (off topic a bit) while on the subject of
jumping, I always tell people who want to jump with the kite, to climb an 10 foot step ladder to the top and jump (without a kite), if they cant or
don't have the physical ability to do that then they have no business kite jumping. again I know this last bit does not pertain to the question but
wanted to get that out.
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Originally posted by Bladerunner
Nobody got all on BigKids case when he nearly killed himself. Why does he feel compelled to jump all over others that are entering the sport and
asking the right questions?
Its funny that you live so close to me, I would have thought that you would have had to cover your ears because of the level of yelling and all the
words that only truck drivers and killers use. You have no idea what I had to endure besides the "nearly killing myself", from my family members and
not to mention my wife.
Do you think for one minute that I don't hear about that day, 24/7? You have got to be living in some lala land.
For what it worth, I was the bread winner with a very very comfortable life style that came to an end on June 13th 2010. After a ton of money and 2
business that are now gone, my wife is the bread winner.
"Nobody got all on BigKids case when he nearly killed himself", I would rather have had you all call me all kinds of names than have to put me wife
and family through this.
It's one thing to go out and try to get big air, it's a totally different thing to get it unexpectedly.
I'm done.
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"Kite Bugging is not an addiction until you try to quit".
I always tell people who want to jump with the kite, to climb an 10 foot step ladder to the top and jump (without a kite), if they cant or don't have
the physical ability to do that then they have no business kite jumping
interesting advice.
So....
I wonder if Generotti has jumped.... or plans to jump
I dont agree with what big air jumpers do. its dangerous unless done right and most dont. the problem is the number of things that can go wrong. I do
kite jumping shen i go out and i take as many precautions as possible(kne pads full face helmet, goggles). I dont go out when there are large gusts
and I know my limits and when it is time to pack up. I think that is something that is necessary to kite jump. If you dont know your limits you will
end up in a situation you cant control and something will go wrong.
Now there is another side. I usually do small jumps (under 5 feet) but things can still go wrong. even on great days with steady wind there will still
be gusts sometimes. its happened to me. I was doing a jump and and i went up about 4 or 5 feet and started to go down and got a gust and shot up
another 10 or 15. sometimes gusts just happen and you just have to ride it out.
I think the most important lesson taken from the video would be that, Mother Nature is very unpredictable. You can learn, you can watch, and you can
prepare yourself the best with all the safety gear you want. Just remember one thing, Mother Nature always has an ace up her sleeve to trump you.
Know your surroundings, know the weather, rather jump on the beach.
This can be a dangerous sport, but when you use common sense and remember to err on the side of caution and live to fly another day, you can go out,
have a few nice jumps and go home fine.
In all sports there are apparent risk, this is just one of ours.
I always tell people who want to jump with the kite, to climb an 10 foot step ladder to the top and jump (without a kite), if they cant or don't have
the physical ability to do that then they have no business kite jumping
interesting advice.
So....
I wonder if Generotti has jumped.... or plans to jump
Jumping while flying static is very tempting (guilty) and what I have seen is that people sometimes forget to think about their limitations and that
statement simply makes them stop and think. there was a time where I could jump from 10 feet and be fine, not anymore and that is why I try not to
give in to temptation. I don't mean to actually jump from a ladder, people typically know their limitations, some times they just need something to
make them stop and think. does that clear it up? as clear as mud I guess
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loop the kite to keep it powered up, but it looks
like it was a fixed bridal kite, not the best choice for jumping big. so to answer your question everything was wrong, wrong kite, wrong wind, wrong
pilot.
Being a newer member on the forum I have noticed
that several forum members are rude when we ask questions. I am sometimes afraid to post a question out of fear of a bashing
what im trying to say is if he didn't take the jump it more than likely would not have happened, the handles
would have probably ripped from his hands. so it's simple, if your going to jump....except the risks. and (off topic a bit) while on the subject of
jumping, I always tell people who want to jump with the kite, to climb an 10 foot step ladder to the top and jump (without a kite), if they cant or
don't have the physical ability to do that then they have no business kite jumping. again I know this last bit does not pertain to the question but
wanted to get that out.
