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PASS THE HANDLE... look'n for R&D team

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SCREWYFITS - 2-5-2008 at 11:09 PM

O.K. people...
Let's get this started... it's probably gonna be next week that I finish with a complete Prototype (secret feature even...):o oohhh!!!

Here is a pre-sneak peek without the "secret feature"...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/Screwyfits/Screwy-Handles/DSC00099.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/Screwyfits/Screwy-Handles/DSC00104-1.jpg

Here is a proto for Dlish89...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/Screwyfits/Screwy-Han...

Polished... :o

O.K. the main object here is to get some feedback on these handles and to put them through there paces... I'll be including some "Screwy Kite Killa's" to get feedback on these also... The handles have apx 24 inches of 3mm Kevlar leaders, low to no stretch (bullet proof I hope) and nice (blue/black and red/black cammo) comfy cork grips with extra cushion in the front where most needed and finished of with color appropriate shrink wrap... I'm hoping the kevlar will hold up (put'em through the test 4 me) through the aluminum handle (nice beveled holes)... the power leader has a knot inside the handle and a strop piggie... the break leaders slide through the handles (4 holes for adjustable breaking) as to give ultimate power killing with the Kite Killa's...

Toward the end of the handle's trip across America, and I get all the feedback... I'll run a competition and give a set of Screwy Handles and Kite Killa's to a lucky winner...

Maybe everyone can help me out on a good competition... maybe the best photo flying with the Screwy Gear, maybe a best add-on idea... you all can come up with some good comp. ideas, I'll think about the handles...

Lets start a list to get this going... I'll probably give them to Dlish89 this week and if he wants to keep'm for a few, I'll let him send'm off to the first on the list... other wise I'll send off toward the end of the week... everyone is responsible for shipping to the next person on the list (and giving me feedback good and/or bad :D )...

Let's get a great handle going... made by Kiters for Kiters...:singing:

Screwy...

Don't worry... "IF" I sell these... they will be as low cost as I can get'm to you... maybe that can be part of the comp... who ever gueses the price wins a pair... no thats too easy you guys come up with something... this ought to be kinda fun...:singing:

PASS THE HANDLE LIST:
1. Dlish89 (done)
2. Beamerbob (done)
3. Dagon / Juggernaut72 (done)
4. biglou13
5.
6.

beachrights - 3-5-2008 at 02:43 AM

I know "The secret feature!" You used Eddie Van Halens pants as the handle grip material which will give us super powers!:cool:

But seriously, your handles do look great- very clean and professional looking. Maybe after the initial prototype its time to approach a kite shop? As for initial feedback [other then my wiseass comment above!] How about putting caps on the bottom of the handles so sand does not get inside them. Also, what protects the lines from the metal as they pass through?

Those orange ones are my favorite color! I have never found a set in that color.

So whats the secret feature? Come on......spill the beans!

SCREWYFITS - 3-5-2008 at 03:24 AM

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH... you almost killed my secret...:P as far as far as the colors, I have a bunch of colors in the cammo look... yel/red, wht/blk/gry, yel/blu, blk/wht, yel/blk, blk,yel/gry, blk/gry and drk-blu/blu and the colors you see... The orange is my fave also... the orange are cork and gel "SUPER COMFY" and expensive...

Well I get the parts hopefully today in the mail and I'll see if my idea works then, I'll be ready to share with photos...:singing:

As far as anything protecting the lines, I just have bevels on both sides of the holes (inside and out)... so no sharp edges... plus the Kevlar lines are extremely hard to cut... in fact I couldn't use really sharp scissors, this #@%$#! is tough... I had to put super glue in the spot I wanted to cut and use a razor blade and it was still tough plus ate the razors up after 4 cuts... :mad: you can't melt it, it incinerates at somewhere over 900 degrees...

I thought of putting clear nail polish, epoxy or something of that manner in the hole to coat it a lil...:puzzled:

As far as the cap on the bottom... I'd need plugs for all the break line holes and a cap for the top its not closed either... do you think it's that necessary to keep the sand out and why??:puzzled: any comments please...

Scudley - 3-5-2008 at 03:48 AM

I think caps are necessary to keep from coring yourself if you fall on your handle. That is why they put caps on bike handle bars. These are very nasty wounds that leave a scar like a belly button.
S

SCREWYFITS - 3-5-2008 at 03:56 AM

c-mon... who falls...:puzzled::frog::P

Great point...:thumbup: It's worth looS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-n into... thanx... keep'm coming...

Scudley - 3-5-2008 at 04:06 AM

I am sure if you look in bike forums you will see them mentioned. Very nasty wounds.
S

BeamerBob - 3-5-2008 at 04:17 AM

I like my spot at number two. They look fantastic, can't wait to try them. I'm concerned about the abrasiveness of the kevlar. It is the ultimate weapon against dacron dime store kite lines. Nothing cuts the kevlar and it cuts everything because it won't melt. So I'm not sure if it will cause quick wear to kite line loops or not.

Another perspective:
I still have my old fashioned kevlar ski line for barefoot skiing. It is not a plain kevlar line though. For some reason, the industry sleeved the kevlar inside a normal ski rope to protect the kevlar or maybe to protect the handle lines from the kevlar. This made it a heavy line and therefore it was replaced by spectra and dyneema when they hit the market. Kevlar might have UV light sensitivity as well, not sure. Dyneema and Spectra make a super light ski line that stretches about like a steel cable. Send on the handles. I'd like mine in that Tennessee orange , if you don't mind. :singing: :thumbup:

SCREWYFITS - 3-5-2008 at 04:36 AM

Well, I hope that Kevlar doesn't do any harm to line sets... its very smooth and silky feeling... I'm gonna put them on my kites Mon. and fly and I'll take a look before and after... maybe this will warrant a close up photo of the lines before and after also... Thanx for the incite... I understand that it might take longer than a few flights to see a difference... I'll have a few sets for myself this next week also, that I'll be putting a lot of time on...

See this is freaS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-n cool... by the time we all get done with this I'll be able to provide a great product... Bet you all hope I start making Kites next...:D :thumbup:

I'll dial you in on that #2 spot... Do you want #1 if Dlish89 passes because he'll have his own set, those short orange ones...
By the way sorry... no orange/white...:no:

Ahhh... you changed the Orange/White to just Orange... Thats a doable request on the finished product... that is some super comfy stuff...;)

B-Roc - 3-5-2008 at 05:28 AM

While "coring" definately sounds nasty and makes a lot of sense, I also like caps to make sure no rough edges that develop over time, tear my kite as I stuff my handles in my bag. Of course, finishing the bottom end of the handle off like you did the top would prevent that but you still have the coring concern - oucha.

Kevlar is pretty tough and can be nasty stuff for cutting everything in sight, I'm not sure it would actually cut your lines once larksheaded to it though. Given the pressure on them, they should lock down on the leader knot and experience little friction.

As far as having the bevel of the handle cut through the line.... you may want to consider running the line through a small piece of tubing where it comes out of the hole to act as a buffer. You'd have to drill a bigger hole though to accomodate both the tubing and the line.

One set of aluminum handles I have has a rubber ring to act as a buffer. One of the rings wore out years ago but the leader is still in tact. Another set has no rings and the leaders are OK. Its not like the leader will just up and snap on you. If the bevel is a problem you'll see it cut through the line over time and if you're attentive to stuff like that you can replace your leader on your on, in time, if needed.

Can you explain how the 4 position adjuster works on the break leaders - is it like the PKD cleat set up?

They look like nice handles - good luck and nice contribution to the sport.

jellis - 3-5-2008 at 09:53 AM

That is the nicest looking grip material I have seen, and it looks like you added shrink tubing to the edges for a great finished look. Anyway we could get you to share what that material on the grips is, and where we could get it?
:singing:

SCREWYFITS - 3-5-2008 at 02:33 PM

Thanx guys...

As far as the adjustments go... it's 4 hole positions for the break leader... the further down the handle you move the break leader the more reaction you have on the kite... down fall is it makes it a lil harder to pull the break... and good thoughts on the end caps and tubing in the holes, I have a set of handles with the tubing but does not look the greatest... something to work on...

Thanx Jellis... that is handle bar wrap for road bikes and can be bought at most if not any bicycle shop... same place you get your grips... the gel wraps are most comfy but all are great...

NPWfever - 3-5-2008 at 03:36 PM

Our ace hardware has an aisle with all that odd stuff in drawers, they have plastic caps just like the kite ones, they are for furniture but should work.

Nice job with the handles, kinda makes me want to trick out my pansh handles.....:P

DAKITEZ - 3-5-2008 at 04:04 PM

I like my #1 spot. I'll hold that spot down. Gotta like the dlish special edition POLISHED! Sweet job. I will be heading your way next week and we can put them through the paces.

USA_Eli_A - 3-5-2008 at 04:40 PM

dude, lets see the zebra stripped model!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yes:

beachrights - 3-5-2008 at 04:59 PM

That would be the Ted Nugent model right?!:frog: WANGO TANGO!!!!

USA_Eli_A - 3-5-2008 at 05:08 PM

LOL

SCREWYFITS - 3-5-2008 at 06:29 PM

They have a pattern that would pass for zebra...
Thanx NPWfever for the tip on the hardware store that will work for me to figure out a good plug caps, but I'm gonna have to find a place to buy in bulk apx 100 at a time...

I'm planing a run of 25 sets at first to see the response to them... and if they are what people want then I'll try to make more to supply the demand... not really trying to start a biz adventure just create something everyone likes... Hence all the feedback... I'd like to be able to sell them in packages of two or more at a discount so people could have them on all their kites... that last sentence had a lil hint from my secret by the way...:ticking:

I'm hoping to have the secret exposed tomorrow, I got the parts in that I needed and it's the real deal and I'm positive it's gonna work...:singing: Just want to install them and take pictures so you all can see it and under stand it...:D:D

there will be a few final things that will change as I get feedback... and I want my logo (avitar) on the shrink wrap and embroidered on the "Screwy Kite Killa's"...:singing:

SCREWYFITS - 4-5-2008 at 12:08 AM

I was thinking about tricS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-n out the pansh handles also mainly just add the wrap over there black rubber grips... If you do anything let me know... I'd like to see your results...

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Originally posted by NPWfever
Our ace hardware has an aisle with all that odd stuff in drawers, they have plastic caps just like the kite ones, they are for furniture but should work.

Nice job with the handles, kinda makes me want to trick out my pansh handles.....:P

NPWfever - 4-5-2008 at 08:30 PM

I need to replace my leaders too, they are all frayed and hideous. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.

SCREWYFITS - 4-5-2008 at 11:44 PM

O.K. the secret feature...:o










Is going to stay a secret...:no::no: "SORRY" :saint: but it was susgested to keep this on the DL and after thinking about it... I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea... The Screwy R&D Team (PASS THE HANDLE TESTERS) will get the benefit of knowing the secret... but must sign over their bank account...:o :lol: jus kiddn... well... just try'n keep it on the DL... its OK to give your opinion of the feature...:singing: just don't tell what it is... we'll keep the suspense going...:evil:

But to let you know it worked and I'm real excited...:singing:

Also I think I have came up with a end cap idea that will solve a few concepts people have already gave as feedback from the photos... I'll try to explain... I'm thinking a Delron slug to go into the end of the handle... it would be long enough that it would make it past the 4th break line hole (closest to your hand)... Then I could drill line holes through the Delron to provide line protection and allow the Delron to hang a 1/8" out the botton and bevel it to create a end cap for safety as requested (thanx)...

Any thoughts...

I'm thinking a top slug/plug also but I'm trying to figure in the knot inside the bar... may have to hollow out the Delron on one side to allow room for a knot...

Screwy

Any interested in Proto testing... sign up for the "PASS THE HANDLE" there might be more handles to test later after I get feedback and make improvements...

BeamerBob - 5-5-2008 at 06:17 AM

Ok, I have my R&D hat on. Can't wait to try them out and most importantly, I love being in on secrets. It'll be fun toying with everyone as we talk about the feature without divulging it. Thanks for trying to make the sport better. These small ideas can turn into big deals.

SCREWYFITS - 5-5-2008 at 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
Ok, I have my R&D hat on. Can't wait to try them out and most importantly, I love being in on secrets. It'll be fun toying with everyone as we talk about the feature without divulging it. Thanks for trying to make the sport better. These small ideas can turn into big deals.


Thanx Beam... I think it'll be fun to keep the secret going as to keep suspense... I'm excited for you to try them due to the value of your feedback... Dlish and I are hooking up Wed. so we can play with them... Then I'll let him R&D'm for a few...

It's taking everything to not share as I'm excited with them... when it was suggested that they stay on the DL I had to fight with myself to come to the same conclusion... I might get a second pair of handles done for testing along side this pair...
So you can test 2 pair at a time...:singing:

By the way Beamer did you ever get the DVD I sent???

SCREWYFITS - 9-5-2008 at 01:28 AM

I tested them out on Tue. and found a problem with the new feature... so I tooS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-em home and put a 5" delrin plug up the bottom of the handle that also acted as a cap... and made a cap for the top also... NICE... I believe it will also help with the leader sliding through the bar... and not fray the line... 3 birds with one stone... :smilegrin:

Well Dlish and I went out on Wed. and tested them out after the fix... we ran into similar problems and made a small adjustment on the fly and believe we have resolved the problem and there will be a redesigned proto #4 (probably be as close to the final model) that I'll send out along with the current protos #2 & #3... :singing:

overall review very comfy grips as stated before and the Secret feature was very convenient and would of been nice on all the kites we had out on wed. (4 kites) but we had them only on two... so we where still able to appreciate the convenience of it... :singing:

I'd like Dlish to give a honest review if and when he can get a chance...:no::puzzled::D

Screwy...

Any request for grip color/colors for the Proto #4 handle (request from the color combos from previous post above) so we can get a diff look...:spin:

also I'm working on a sheath for the power lines to save your finger crotch...:D

kitedemon - 9-5-2008 at 05:00 AM

Screwy, I am going to add my 2 cents worth now...

I thought that for the sheath I have used plastic tubing a bit about 5 cm long that fits into the handle (and protects the leaders from the handle material) and then a bit that fits tight over that that is half that length that buts to the handle material for a bit of added stifness.

I have tried to build without much success a removable clip that will nest the pair of handles together and have a horn for winding lines as well. I am going to try UHMW next.

Are you going to add a loop for the break lines? I clip mine to a monster peg (very soft sand) with a beaner.

DAKITEZ - 9-5-2008 at 08:38 AM

I have both pictured and I want to get atleast one more session in before I give my thoughts. I think there might be something that needs to be tweeked alittle. Flying static this was not a problem, but when I hooked in things didn't seem right. I didn't think of it till on the way home so I want to fly again to double check.
R&D will be a good excuse for us to go visit kyte slinger and do alittle flying with him to get his thoughts :thumbup:
I'll try and find any excuse to get to the beach and fly :saint:

SCREWYFITS - 9-5-2008 at 06:35 PM

Thanx kitedemon,

Great thoughts, and I've tried the tubing on proto #1 and it was better than nothing but the neoprene is multiple times better yet... remember I'm "trying" for the best possible...:thumbup: Maybe a rubber hose :puzzled: see your making me think and this is how we do it... thanx for the input and please anything more, bring it because I might not have thought of it or tried it... or we can brainstorm it and make it work... :thumbup::thumbup:

I'm curious Dlish what this could be, maybe the strope piggy too long or you figuring the special feature might interfere with flying hooked in...:puzzled:

SCREWYFITS - 19-5-2008 at 01:57 AM

O.K...
I'm free'd up again... last week I was at Water Treatment classes and had to take a State exam on sat...:no: whhooooohh glad thats over... :singing:

this week I'm aiming for proto #4 to be finished and I'll get pics up ASAP...:thumbup::thumbup: this should be as close to final product as of now... Unless I can get some more good suggestions to add...

I'll try and get with Dlish and he can combine the handles together for R&D also another pair of Screwy KS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s to tag along...:singing:

Keep'm coming

Thanx, Screwy

Dagon - 19-5-2008 at 04:46 PM

put me on the list please.

BeamerBob - 20-5-2008 at 06:31 AM

So when do we start this thing? I'm ready to tie some on.

biglou13 - 20-5-2008 at 11:13 PM

can i get on the list

SCREWYFITS - 21-5-2008 at 02:40 PM

BeamerB,

Dlish has them and is giving them a good test run today... :ticking:

I am making Proto #4 today and am hoping to get them to Dlish tomorrow hopefully they will get on the road to you soon... The proto #'s 2&3 that Dlish have, have got large holes in them for the "Secret feature" that we had a problem with...:no:

The handles I'm making today will have the problem resolved and not have the large holes in them... :singing:

I'm hoping to have all 3 proto's make the trip for testing due to the secret feature...:ticking:

Any request on handle color before I finish today?

Screwy

I'll post pics tonight of "Proto #4"...

NPWfever - 21-5-2008 at 03:30 PM

I WANT TO SEE THE SECRET FEATURE!!!!! YEARG!!!! I may have to get myself on this list, its driving me insane. When will the cover be blown? :spin:

SCREWYFITS - 21-5-2008 at 04:20 PM

hmmmmm!!!:saint:

Good question?
I suppose when they come back from the "Screwy R&D Team" and no extra upgrades or mods needed... and they are ready to sell... I'd guess 5-8 weeks...

love to have you on the team and give your feedback... say the word and you are on the list...:singing:

Screwy

NPWfever - 21-5-2008 at 04:34 PM

How much would it be to ship them back to you? Do I need to pay 4 shipping 2 me?

SCREWYFITS - 21-5-2008 at 07:25 PM

no... just shipping to the next person...
U2Ued you...

SCREWYFITS - 21-5-2008 at 11:27 PM

O.K.
No request for color... so you get no color... or is it all colors... or is it both, all colors and no colors... :puzzled: I don't know here is a pic...
real close to what the finished product will come out like...:thumbup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/Screwyfits/Screwy-Han...


Don't think they will be polished unless someone would want to pay extra... lots of extra work for just a lil bling...

I know... the "Dlish89 Bling Edition" or the "Dlish Signature Model"... yeah that sounds cool... :singing: Gotta give him the credit for coming up with the polished handles...

Screwy...

DAKITEZ - 21-5-2008 at 11:50 PM

I'm ready !!! how many adjustments did these end up with ?

BeamerBob - 22-5-2008 at 02:32 AM

Color really doesn't matter to me. Whatever you ended up having on hand. I like em softer if than helps.

stevep - 22-5-2008 at 10:05 AM

email sent i would like one of each color please

SCREWYFITS - 22-5-2008 at 12:06 PM

stevep
U2Ued you back... and thanx...

Dlish
This proto has two holes (adjustments)

BeamerB
you'll like the orange ones they are jell'n... I'm undecided if they are too soft for me... they are super cushy...

BeamerBob - 22-5-2008 at 12:11 PM

I like cushy so we'll see how they feel under pressure. I can't wait to see what you've come up with.

DAKITEZ - 27-5-2008 at 11:14 PM

Sorry, I'm holding these up. Bob these should be off to you this week. Screwy sent me the new set (look and feel great), but my dog got ahold of them before I did ( SORRY Screwy). So I will get them back to Screwy in the next day or two and he can fix them up and get them out.
The handles look great, feel great and the special feature is very nice. I will definately be converting over to the screwy handles.

Sthrasher38 - 28-5-2008 at 08:11 AM

I KNOW THE SECRET!!!:moon: Don't worry I wont give you up.:wink2: Excellent idea! I got to see them but I did not get to fly with them they are comfy and light good looking and it will be worth the pass just to see the secret.:yes: You will get somewhere with that I am sure. A matter of fact when you get ready to start dropping some of these I would like to get some fancy ones also. let me know.

SCREWYFITS - 28-5-2008 at 11:10 AM

It's all good Dlish... dogs will be dogs...
And thanx for the great comments both you (dlish) and Sthrasher... glad to know that the secret is as exciting as I hoped... Sthrasher I'll keep you in mind, come time... we'll make a Sthrasher signature model... Dlish has a sig. model it has teeth marks in them for extra grip for those extreme kite days... :lol:
Beamer sorry for the delay but we had to put them through the dog test... :lol: they should be on their way this week ... I'll U2U when sent... I think I still have your Addy...

Sthrasher38 - 29-5-2008 at 07:36 AM

signature model...Hmmm. Yea!

SCREWYFITS - 29-5-2008 at 07:31 PM

OK... ready to ship Beamer B I'll have them in the mail tomorrow 5-30-08...:singing:

Here is a lil pic of the refurbished Dlish Dlux model...:lol:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/Screwyfits/Screwy-Han...


Notice the lil screwy logo's... sweet...:singing:

Beamer coming atcha... let me know when you get them and I'll explain a few things...

DAKITEZ - 29-5-2008 at 07:33 PM

I like the logo :thumbup:
Those handles look alot better today than when I gave them to you yesterday :wow:

SCREWYFITS - 29-5-2008 at 07:42 PM

Yeah, I like the logo it finishes it off... but they are the same, plus the logo... and a few teeth marks that you have to look for to see'em...:lol: as good as new...:singing:
told you nothing to worry about...
Now I gotta get bout 5-8 made for the farm...:D
Also gotta get the logo digitized for the embroidery on the Screwy KS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s... I lost the data I had before...:no:

Dude... So excited to get back to the farm and have anotha butta day...
I'm sore as heck from flying and jumping so much...:D

BeamerBob - 30-5-2008 at 05:40 AM

Can you send some wind and some free time in the box? I hope life will soon let up on me a little. Rec baseball league ends next Thursday so that will be a load off. I can't wait to hold the handles and see this "secret feature". :yes:

Sthrasher38 - 30-5-2008 at 08:21 AM

Nice job with the logo! Looks sweet.

SCREWYFITS - 30-5-2008 at 04:14 PM

Thanx Sthrasher38... how's the foot coming?

BeamerB, they are in the mail, I'll U2U you the tracking#...:singing:

The box wasn't large enough to put a full day of wind in it but I put as much as I could stuff in there... Time, I couldn't do anything there, I don't have any spare time around...:rolleyes:

Have a blast with'em, beat'em up, beat'em down...:D

Feel free to add or move knots, for your kites... the Kevlar knots tighten down well and are easy to loosen...

Sthrasher38 - 31-5-2008 at 08:55 AM

Man I am hanging in there. It's been a long 3 weeks and now the healing process starts. pins come out in a week then I can start working on the bones healing up.

BeamerBob - 4-6-2008 at 05:25 AM

Received the Screwy handles day before yesterday. I'm impressed. With only a living room inspection, they look to be nice handles.

The secret feature is a BIG "why didn't I think of that?" It removes a big hassle. I shouldn't say more than that to avoid giving it away before screwy decides to. I'm not sure it is worth patenting because of the limited return, but rest assured, others will adopt this and profit from it.

The kite killers are everything they should be. One thing they could benefit from is to reduce the size of the ring that the cord ties to. I see why you used what you did and using a smaller one would increase the complexity (production costs) slightly but it would give them a more refined and cleaner look. Also, an oval tip to make it easier to pass the end through the buckle would help. You could also have a separate tab there. Either way an oval or chamfered leading edge would make all brands of kite killers easier to put on.

I'm curious about the size of the chamfered holes at the bottom of the handles. Some are small and some are large. What is the order of design here. Big to small or small to big. I'm concerned about such large holes weakening the handles somewhat. Maybe not an issue but smaller would be better unless the large holes eliminated some other problem that makes the large holes worth it.

The padding seems like it will be comfy with use. It also allows for "custom" handles. The wraps at the ends could be more finished. Particularly the top of the handle looks a little undone. Maybe a production vinyl cap would look better.

More to come with some flight time. Gotta go to work.

Sthrasher38 - 4-6-2008 at 08:10 AM

Sweet review Bob! Thanks for sharing.:borg:

SCREWYFITS - 4-6-2008 at 11:23 AM

I knew you'd give a good honest review, with great feedback... can't wait for the flight review...:D

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I'm curious about the size of the chamfered holes at the bottom of the handles. Some are small and some are large. What is the order of design here. Big to small or small to big. I'm concerned about such large holes weakening the handles somewhat. Maybe not an issue but smaller would be better unless the large holes eliminated some other problem that makes the large holes worth it.


The large holes are no longer... that was a trial but error...:lol: the White/gray/black handles are the newest and closest to production...

Thanx, Screwy

BeamerBob - 6-6-2008 at 03:27 AM

I had about a half hour to fly yesterday with 6-7 mph winds. I got the blade out and hooked up the black/white screwy handles. Again, the secret feature is HUGE. I used it once with a huge reduction in hassle. The handles are a good diameter, and are just soft enough. For most of the time I forgot I was using different handles. One thing is I can feel the transition under my thumb. Something to smooth all that out would be the biggest possible improvement. I figure forgetting about the handles while flying is a pretty good compliment. I didn't notice the kite killers very much either. They are fine in performance but in the low winds I didn't actually use them. They were just there.

The handles are a good piece of work and certainly a good alternative to Pansh handles. I wouldn't have any reason to replace my HQ or Flexi handles other than maybe the secret feature. Thinking about a retrofit, but that would require some modification to my current handles.

I see huge benefits to the secret feature if they became universal. Screwy, give the green light and I can expand my thoughts.

I want to try the orange handles on my profoil. Those might not make the trip back if we can work a deal.

SCREWYFITS - 9-6-2008 at 02:30 PM

Sounds good Beamer... Thanx...

The KK are incomplete, they are due some embroidery (screwy logo) and like you mentioned a tab... I' agree with the D ring being smaller... I'll have to order a bag of the 3/4 " or 1' size D rings...

If Dlish will take a new pair we can work something out for the Orange pair...

U2U me on your expanded thoughts so I know what it is first... I think I already know where you are gonna go with it and I believe I have it worked out for universal... still would like your thoughts...

Screwy...

BeamerBob - 10-6-2008 at 03:04 AM

I have somewhat large hands so is there a slightly larger diameter tubing available? I could handle another 1/4" in diameter I think. I don't ever use kite killers on the profoil either. I might wait for your next round of improvements and then kick in for a set. I'm thinking that darker colors on the handles will show dirt less as well. Just rambling thoughts here.

SCREWYFITS - 10-6-2008 at 02:44 PM

Yeah... I'm thinking of making another proto set of larger diameter handles to compare... it had crossed my mind a few times before...

Sthrasher38 - 10-6-2008 at 02:48 PM

Sorry to hi jack but... Why are you not with dlish flying right now? Today and tomorrow is good wind in the forcast. So what's-up?

SCREWYFITS - 10-6-2008 at 07:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sthrasher38
Sorry to hi jack but... Why are you not with dlish flying right now? Today and tomorrow is good wind in the forcast. So what's-up?

High winds (25-30's) and gusty... :o wind report from Dlish... looS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-n to go tomorrow... fingers crossed that it's in the 20's no gust's...

Sthrasher38 - 11-6-2008 at 10:44 AM

Lucky you! prefect day! I am going some where today. Looks like another early day at school for lil Jacob. We got 18-24 today. It will be the last day of wind for awhile so we better use it up.

SCREWYFITS - 16-6-2008 at 09:11 PM

I think Beamerbob is done with R&Ding the handles so Dagon, you need to U2U Beamerbob your addy so B.Bob can send them off to you...:D
Screwy...

BeamerBob - 17-6-2008 at 05:17 AM

I'm doing some shipping today so an address will put them on their way.

BeamerBob - 17-6-2008 at 02:39 PM

Still nuthin. Anyone know Dagon's address? U2U please. I'm biting the bullet and getting everything packed to ship. Dirtsurfer, Montana III, and these Screwy handles with the awesome special feature. They might miss the bus tomorrow if I don't get an address soon.

SCREWYFITS - 20-6-2008 at 10:38 PM

OK... Biglou your up to bat...:thumbup:

Beamerbob go ahead and send them to Biglou and I'll have Biglou send them to Dagon or me when he's put them through their paces...
I live close enough to Dagon that I could get them to him on a Davis sod farm day and let him R&D them if he still wants...

As soon as I get them back with all the feedback I can reveal the secret feature:singing:and start making the limited run and take orders for them... I have a few sold already... and no rush Biglou make sure you get enough time to R&D them... U2U me when you get'em and I'll explain a few things...

SCREWYFITS - 22-6-2008 at 07:39 PM

sorry everyone, they are on there way to Dagon... then to Biglou...
Thanx

BeamerBob - 23-6-2008 at 04:35 AM

Yeah, they were probably half way to Dagon before the shipping order changed. I was offline after Thursday night and they had already shipped out that day.

SCREWYFITS - 23-6-2008 at 04:42 AM

I just didn't know that you got Dagon's addy I thought he was busy and not getting back to us for his info... this works out fine...
Thanx

SCREWYFITS - 27-6-2008 at 10:02 PM

Dagon...
Have you got them yet?
just getting an update...

Sthrasher38 - 30-6-2008 at 09:31 AM

Screwy, Dlish, When is the next flying day at the farm? I would like to go. It is time to start buggying again!!! Let me know. Thanks. ( I know the secret):P

SCREWYFITS - 4-7-2008 at 01:27 AM

I don't think till the week of the 14th, 15th and 16th... Dlish is gone till the 10th I believe... me also, going gold dredging... trying to find me a couple oz's for a kite fund...:singing:

Sthrasher38 - 4-7-2008 at 09:11 AM

Cool find me a rock also. Where do you go to pan? I use to go to Nevada City. Deer Creek has a lot of gold. If you want to work for it. Good luck.

SCREWYFITS - 4-7-2008 at 03:30 PM

Grizzly Flats and you got to work for it here too... almost not worth it... good fun though...

DAKITEZ - 18-7-2008 at 11:53 AM

Where are these bad boys ???

Screwy won't make me any till these get passed around and he gets everyone's input.

does Dagon have them or are they lost in the mail ?

BeamerBob - 18-7-2008 at 12:38 PM

I shipped to Dagon about 3 weeks ago. You Davis guys in contact with him? No word from him since I shipped I think.

SCREWYFITS - 19-7-2008 at 01:12 AM

I think I'm gonna just start and hope no one comes up with anything too important or revolutionary to add... Maybe a week or two DAKITEZ and I'll get a batch done...

Juggernaut72 - 22-7-2008 at 10:50 PM

I borrowed handles from Dagon but have be busy with work. Sorry about the contact delay. I will FedEx them to wherever they need to go next. I live right by the sod farm in Davis as well in case you guys are headed out here.
Cheers,
Adrian

DAKITEZ - 22-7-2008 at 11:00 PM

so what did you think Juggernaut72 ?

SCREWYFITS - 23-7-2008 at 04:52 PM

biglou13 is next and last on the list so U2U him for his address... or if he reads this hopefully he'll just send you a U2U with his addy...
Juggernaut72 and feedback?

Juggernaut72 - 25-7-2008 at 10:14 PM

I sent a U2U to Big Lou. I have not had a chance to try them out since i have been buss with work every opportunity. I will see if there is wind tomorrow and give them a try. Thanks for the use.

I learned to fly with a bar first with an old 5.7 Peter Lynn Waterfoil I have. It is very slow with the brake lines together to the center of the bar. I want to give it a try with handles and 4 lines. I went with Dagon a couple of months ago to Ocean beach to buggy. That was a blast with winds averaging 19 mph. I learned to buggy from him that day. Thanks Dagon!
I also have a 16m Slingshot Fuel LEI I got as far as body dragging in the ocean. So I have most of my experience with bars

Cheers,
Adrian

SCREWYFITS - 25-7-2008 at 11:28 PM

I also learned on a bar and for about 4 years all I flew with, then tried handles and just love'm, the control goes up dramatically... The bar is a must know how though in the long run because you will come back to a bar eventually... its great to have both... you will want the bar for the slingshot and the PL waterfoil if this is a depower... handles are for fixed bridal foils... good luck and have fun...

Sthrasher38 - 27-7-2008 at 10:08 AM

When are we going to let the cat out of the bag with the seceret? I would like to hear the feedback on the suprise. It is a great idea and works well.

SCREWYFITS - 27-7-2008 at 03:03 PM

soon...
I'm in the building process of the small run of handles now, and when they are done I'll reveal the secret and sell what is left over from all the pre-orders... I'm hoping in a week or two they should be ready... :D

silvereaglekiter - 15-8-2008 at 05:28 PM

did I miss the big reveal yet???????

DAKITEZ - 15-8-2008 at 05:37 PM

Where are they ??

SCREWYFITS - 15-8-2008 at 06:12 PM

YEAH, where the heck are they??? Dagon and Juggernaut72 had them last!!! you guys move to Taiwan and start a handle company...:lol:
They are in production and as soon as I can get one complete I'll reveal the secret feature... My schedule at work changed so I'm a lil shy on time compared to before... they are about 40% done at this time and I'm in a spot that when it done its all down hill...

Juggernaut72 - 15-8-2008 at 09:50 PM

They are on the way to Lou. I flew them last week. Thanks. I liked the orange ones.

SCREWYFITS - 15-8-2008 at 11:31 PM

Thanx Jugg's
haaa... that's funny "Juggs";-)

DAKITEZ - 12-11-2008 at 11:11 PM

Anyone heard from Lou ???

Are these still MIA??

I sure would like my orange polished handles back.

SCREWYFITS - 12-11-2008 at 11:38 PM

I have his addy and have to send him a letter... Have not got any response from my U2U's and hope all is well... and nothing has happened to him to keep him from responding...

I should have some time soon as the season has slowed drastically... I'll have other colors other than the orange though, sure would like to have them back also, I'd like to get some measurements and see how the leaders are holding up...

My cuz is back in town so your handles I'll have to make the plugs by hand and the rest I'll have him finish up in Jersy...

Sthrasher38 - 13-11-2008 at 03:54 PM

Hey! Screwy, Do you still have the measurement for my harness? I figure while you are down it will give you something to do:D

Sthrasher38 - 4-6-2009 at 01:00 PM

Bumped up a relic. What happend with the handles? Do we have a pass the buggy program yet? What is next on the line up 4 ya?:cool:

DAKITEZ - 4-6-2009 at 01:25 PM

I doubt he will pass anything till he gets these handles back :no:

BeamerBob - 4-6-2009 at 01:27 PM

They didn't make it home? :thumbdown: Who dropped the ball er.... uh.... handle?

DAKITEZ - 4-6-2009 at 01:40 PM

I believe they went missing with Big Lou, but I'm not positive. I'm sure Screwy has more info. on it. All I know is they are MIA.

BeamerBob - 4-6-2009 at 01:57 PM

Wow, BigLou hasn't been around here for 10 months and no email address in his profile. It's hard not to think badly of him dropping out with someones prototype.

WIllardTheGrey - 5-6-2009 at 02:56 AM

I just sat here and read the thread from beginning to end and sill don't know what the bloody SECRET FEATURE!! is,:mad:
and until the last page I was considering getting on the list. Damn those looked really nice too.:flaming:

Sandman - 5-6-2009 at 03:15 AM

Don't feel bad WIllardTheGrey. I have been following this thread for the last year now, and I still dont know what the Secret Feature is either.


All I can say is that the orange ones were looking sweet !!!

bobalooie57 - 5-6-2009 at 06:42 AM

Can I also get on this list? I think this type of design collaboration is the s&%t! We ought to brainstorm a strop quick release safety system-for kiters by kiters! B
edit: Ha, Ha, Ha, I just finished the thread, and then looked at the dates! I thought it was new, because I hadn't read that far back! Still like the collaboration on ideas, though!
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