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Making Lines

rtz - 9-9-2019 at 09:11 PM

Just now getting around to this. The hardest part is finding line in bulk quantity at a fair price. Then I was hung up for a long time on the issue of sleeving them and stitching them. Never could find the correct sleeving material in bulk. I occasionally see some in small quantities. I also never quite got my cardboard line gig dialed in.

So the other day I was in a pecurilous situation and from experience I let the kite go. Long ago I would have held on and got pulled out of the buggy.

So now I have a tremendous ball of lines that I don't feel like untangling right now. So I will just make more lines. Using Popeyes video which is how I should have made them all along.

4" of line that is inside of itself. I will test these out tomorrow. Easy to make.




rtz - 9-9-2019 at 09:16 PM

The video:


nate76 - 9-10-2019 at 08:16 AM

Kind of fun, isn't it!? I had a lot of fun building my bar lines - it definitely takes some of the mystery out of it once you've done it and makes you feel more confident about making your own repairs.

I found a seller on ebay from Ireland that has pretty good prices on Dyneema - everything from depower rope, leader line, SK75 and SK99 rated custom-made or by-the-meter kite lines. I've ordered several times from him now and have been really happy (ebayID: slav42):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8mm-2mm-2-8mm-3mm-Dyneema-10-mete...


Windstruck - 9-10-2019 at 01:46 PM

While I'm sure he'll weigh in once he sees this, John (Cerebite) has had some great success using some arborist line that is both incredibly strong, light weight, good "hand" etc. I know because he's made me two line sets and I love them. You might want to check with him to see where he gets his line, also purchased in some bulk. Good luck!

Cerebite - 9-11-2019 at 01:10 PM

As prompted:
http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=6&...

more throw line

tomdiving - 9-12-2019 at 05:51 AM

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=dyneema+throwline&ref=nb_sb_n...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l...

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_...

the treestuff reviews weren't very kind to the stein line. i'd check other reviews closely before putting your body or bridle tabs in jeopardy with any of these lines.
that being said, i'll probably buy some for myself and put it on an older kite that i don't really care about as a test.
tom

Windstruck - 9-12-2019 at 12:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by tomdiving  
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=dyneema+throwline&ref=nb_sb_n...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l...

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_...

the treestuff reviews weren't very kind to the stein line. i'd check other reviews closely before putting your body or bridle tabs in jeopardy with any of these lines.
that being said, i'll probably buy some for myself and put it on an older kite that i don't really care about as a test.
tom


So it would seem that I started this hot mess by dragging my friend John (Cerebite) to this dance with his throw line (man ties a mean hot pink line and wears a kilt so I figured he could take it) so now I feel like I need to defend him. :cool:

I'm wondering if the negative comments in the reviews have more to do with the use of dyneema line in the specific tree throw application and less to do with the stein line itself. About five years ago I pulled a dyneema lineset over a soccer goalpost with my kite loaded up and the line got cut like a hot knife through butter. I've heard cheapo single line kite strings can cut right through dyneema too though I haven't directly witnessed that. I flew a hot pink lineset a fair amount at IBX last year and a ton of static flying with lots of powered repeated loops that had the lines rubbing on each other under high tension and the lines still seem the same as the day I got them.

I'm sure there are lots of good lines out there, but I'd keep this hot pink lady on the list.

Cerebite - 9-18-2019 at 01:05 PM

given tomdivings response I went back and read the reviews on the site.

Agree that those are harsh but as Steve alluded to I think that has to do with most with abrasion from running across bark. I have had issues with cotton vs. dynema/ spectra line as well, I cant recall if I have had any of those encounters with this throwing line [which I have been flying 50 -80% of the time for close to five years].
I researched very heavily four or five years ago when I started working with throwing line and this was the thinnest line available with the strength for our application. As I said above I have flown this as my primary line for about five years and all of my flying in the last three years has been on Playa. I have NEVER had a line part from abrasion with ground obstacles and I will be the first to admit that I drag my lines a lot during setup and during flight. This throwing line does "get fuzzy" and fade like climbing rope does but I have not seen that compromise its strength.

One of the reviews on TreeStuff [and I have not reviewed as I feel that I am not using the product as they are selling or marketing it] commented on it "rat nesting." I do not feel it does that any more-so than any other line type that we fly and it has an immensely better "hand" than the Q Line which I used to, and still do occasionally, fly. The Q takes kinks like crazy and will hold winding curls to a high degree neither of which is a problem with the throwing line.

the only issue I have had was splices coming undone in early editions when I was skimping on the length of my buries and that was a slow speed "failure" rather than a catastrophic one ["oh the eye is pulling apart" during setup rather than an "oh #$% my line just failed at 60 kph!!!"].

In terms of cost I feel that a line set from this throwing line is about 2/3 of the cost of a commercially available kiteline set.

I hope that helps everyone in their thought process and decision making on using this "brand" of line.

flyhighWNY - 9-18-2019 at 04:11 PM

Indeed it did. While I read those same reviews after you posted the link. They did not sway me away from considering their use. As your application is much different than intended use.

searching for slav42

tomdiving - 9-21-2019 at 01:14 PM

i'm using this to get in touch with slav42. if/when he replies, he can likely help you out with various line sets/extensions/etc.
tom
tomdiving@yahoo.com

rtz - 9-30-2019 at 01:56 AM

Once larks headed on; the connection is solid. Though in handling; it is possible to intentionally slide the buried tail back out as the "finger trap" type holding method doesn't get a solid grip on the tail. Decided to sew some up. I have to pull the line through both to make it feed and hold it in place. Looking for a foot that would work. Some sort of piping, cording, or welting foot. Has anyone seen a certain foot that would hold the line centered?



pbc - 10-1-2019 at 05:32 PM

I modified my presser feet to hold the line centered. The photo included here shows what I did to an ordinary presser foot with a triangular file. This foot has two grooves to bind a folder line. I have another foot with a single groove.

IMG_20191001_202405.jpg - 196kB

rtz - 10-1-2019 at 05:57 PM

That's a good idea. I'll try that.