Ozone Chrono

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

I am curious about how the Chrono and the Edge ? ( Ozone's race LEI ) stand against each other ? I feel like Oz is possibly getting into this style kite to keep winning races on the water and hope it will be a winner with the buggies in turn ? Speed isn't # 1 on my list so I expect I'll just watch . Maybe give it a twist if Eli can snag a Demo !!! :cool2:

Chrono will be the next thing to keep winning. Here in Cali the Edges are the fleet for racing.

Quantum is already winning races in Europe.

You sound super bias...

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

My 2 cents based on internet research and looking at videos and pictures. Chrono and Elf are in the same class - dedicated race and upwind machines. FSers will have better all around usability... and wind range. Chrono will be a major PITA if something hits the fan - no LCLs... enjoy broken canopy and hours replacing bridle lines. It doesn't seem to have an adjustable mixer/speed system so good luck with that. This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone... So for the price of a Speed4 you can get yourself a... Speed2. Without LCLs.

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

LCL are such a simple way to protect your investment. I have always wondered why other foil makers don't add them ?

My guess is that they don't simply because its a extra work to create and tie them on.

Kami is simply reposting the key points from a thread at Foilzone. I'm not sure if those points are from an end user perspective or postulation as the original poster didn't state whether he has flown the kite or is expressing concerns from what he has seen of the videos.

They position this kite as a boosting machine but there are no videos of anyone boosting any major air on it. Regardless, both it and the speed are way out of my price range and I'm no fan of securing closed cell kites on the ground in their upper wind limits.

The Chrono is pretty light wind specific. Just saying.


As far as the statement of the Chrono being the first closed cell foil...NOT TRUE.

I have flown several close celled Ozone Prototypes. All worked well.

Has anyone actually seen the kite, how do you know it doesn't have and Lcl? Or something comparable to better?

anyways, I'm looking forward to trying this master piece out!

If you're worried about gusty or boosting big jumps perhaps crashing down with the kite in the water. You're always better off with Bridles LEIs

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

I am not sure Kami is biased so much as critical ? He tries out and flies a lot of stuff and I appreciate how he calls them as he sees them. LCL are such a simple way to protect your investment. I have always wondered why other foil makers don't add them ? Is it possible PL has a patent ? Even Pansh has made an effort to add them. All that I read leads me to believe this kite is dedicated to speed. I still have a feeling this investment is all about winning races on water. I hope it is a success and they follow up with a more freestyle oriented foil .

Not I'm not biased... FSers work for me, but there are plenty of things I could live without about them I am, however, a total Axis fan boy :D

Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone" already had that argument.

Apparently it wee-weds all over the Speed2 so that's not a fair comparison but for me, the S2 and P3 weren't good kites for my local conditions. I don't think the Elf or Chrono would be, either. I can cope with the S3/P4 with the Triple Depower in most conditions, but for peace of mind there are times of year when I just won't fly them limitation of the foils. There are other times though when they save the session or are simply phenomenal.

No LCLs... have fun replacing bridle lines :o

Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight

I think he means the wingtips are farther apart while in the air, meaning a flatter profile. Think arc vs closed cell foil.

Correct!

And Kami, please town down your language man. You do it everywhere incl Seabreeze. You're just coming across like someone with a chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind.

Quote: Originally posted by loftywinds

Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight   I think he means the wingtips are farther apart while in the air, meaning a flatter profile. Think arc vs closed cell foil. Correct! And Kami, please town down your language man. You do it everywhere incl Seabreeze. You're just coming across like someone with a chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind.

While on the other hand, you're out mad-pimping a kite you've seen but haven't used, merely because you love the brand

Tone down your language dude, seriously? What are you, our mother? Don't you know it's been scientifically proven that people who use bad language are more trustworthy?

Didn't realize Australians were such sensitive prudes... :o

Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone"


sorry pal, you are very wrong here!

It's there first production closed cell they've released sure. But certainly not the first one they have ever made!!! I know first hand!

I've been flying Ozone kites since 2003. And all other brand from 1994 till then. Even the JOJO Closed cells 2 Line water relaunchable.

I'm stating that I don't think FS kites are bad. I'm starting a thread for those curious about the Chrono.

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

Quote: Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone" sorry pal, you are very wrong here! It's there first production closed cell they've released sure. But certainly not the first one they have ever made!!! I know first hand! I've been flying Ozone kites since 2003. And all other brand from 1994 till then. Even the JOJO Closed cells 2 Line water relaunchable. I'm stating that I don't think FS kites are bad. I'm starting a thread for those curious about the Chrono.

Better pass that on to Rob then... bit odd that the designer who founded the company got it wrong :puzzled:

I think Ozone fanboydom is bad :D I'm curious too but the more I look, the more it looks like a reinvention of the Elf wheel and not, despite the unpaid marketers whooping it up, the solution to ultimate kiting performance. Time will tell.

sticking with my original statement. I have flown many Ozone Closed Cell Prototypes dating back as far as 2005!

Would you mind starting your own thread?

I've met Rob.

I fully believe the Chrono will blow your mind. It's the ultimate, "i can kite when you can't machine"

thanks for your input Kamikuza...you haven't flown the Chrono, so you Don't know!
http://www.ozonekitesusa.com/ozone-tearmrider-details.asp?id...

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A   Quote: Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone" sorry pal, you are very wrong here! It's there first production closed cell they've released sure. But certainly not the first one they have ever made!!! I know first hand! I've been flying Ozone kites since 2003. And all other brand from 1994 till then. Even the JOJO Closed cells 2 Line water relaunchable. I'm stating that I don't think FS kites are bad. I'm starting a thread for those curious about the Chrono. Better pass that on to Rob then... bit odd that the designer who founded the company got it wrong :puzzled: I think Ozone fanboydom is bad :D I'm curious too but the more I look, the more it looks like a reinvention of the Elf wheel and not, despite the unpaid marketers whooping it up, the solution to ultimate kiting performance. Time will tell.

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

sticking with my original statement. I have flown many Ozone Closed Cell Prototypes dating back as far as 2005!

You can disagree with me all you like, but are you seriously telling us you're disagreeing with the actual guy who actually said it in the video he made to promote the product he designed for the company he started?

Cos that blows my mind...

Biased?

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

they have been in the game the longest.

That's simply not true, check your kite history.
As for performance of the Chrono, snowkite racing seems the most valid purpose for it, yes it does lift like crazy if you fancy a bit of freestyle but if you don't have the skills (or shifty winds), it 'll drop you out the sky like a brick, scary stuff.
As far as innovation goes.. they claim to have invented more things that others have been doing for years (like the tension straps in the Quantum for instance, have been in PL Arc's for over 10 years)

Closed cell Ozone's, that whatsitsnameagain, was almost a copy of an arc but with bridles, but did it ever make it into production? No, why? They couldn't get it stable enough to be safe.

I don't have anything negative to say about Ozone's new kites or Ozone in general, they make quality gear. But making things prettier than they really are, that IMO is biased or just plain marketing BS.

Quote: Originally posted by B-Roc

I think the statements from both Eli and the Rob are true. Protos or no protos, Ozone has never brought a closed cell foil into production. So this is their "first closed cell foil" to enter production. Kami, I really don't understand why you have such a hard time with that and why you have such a bone to pick with this kite. If you don't like it don't buy it. That's how the free market works. How many protos never see the light of day on the open market? The only one that counts is the one that comes to market. The statement is true - both Eli's and Rob's. Let it go.

Well said B-roc

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A   sticking with my original statement. I have flown many Ozone Closed Cell Prototypes dating back as far as 2005! You can disagree with me all you like, but are you seriously telling us you're disagreeing with the actual guy who actually said it in the video he made to promote the product he designed for the company he started? Cos that blows my mind...

Don't have a dog in the fight, Neither race kites or depow are my bag... Just curious who's actually right on this issue.

Kami, why don't you post the vid?

Quote: Originally posted by soliver

Kami, why don't you post the vid?

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

Designer Tech Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv9rgjgAHIQ

20 seconds in...

Quote: Originally posted by B-Roc

I think the statements from both Eli and the Rob are true. Protos or no protos, Ozone has never brought a closed cell foil into production. Kami, I really don't understand why you have such a hard time with that and why you have such a bone to pick with this kite. If you don't like it don't buy it. That's how the free market works. How many protos never see the light of day on the open market? The only one that counts is the one that comes to market. The statement is true - both Eli's and Rob's. Let it go.

I thought it was pretty simple...
"This is our first closed-cell depower."
"No it isn't!"
... is this actually a Monty Python skit?

The kite is fine I'm sure, it's the fanboy hype that's turning my stomach. This is pretty tame here, although it looked for a while like loftywinds was trying to import his own nauseating brand of starry-eyed credulity to here too...

Next up, videos of riding in 5 knots wait for it... wait for it...

Hey Kamikuza, you're the guy making this personal!

The Chrono is Sweet. You should get one! Have a wonderful swim back with your flysurfer

lol...who asked you?

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Quote: Originally posted by B-Roc   I think the statements from both Eli and the Rob are true. Protos or no protos, Ozone has never brought a closed cell foil into production. Kami, I really don't understand why you have such a hard time with that and why you have such a bone to pick with this kite. If you don't like it don't buy it. That's how the free market works. How many protos never see the light of day on the open market? The only one that counts is the one that comes to market. The statement is true - both Eli's and Rob's. Let it go. I thought it was pretty simple... "This is our first closed-cell depower." "No it isn't!" ... is this actually a Monty Python skit? The kite is fine I'm sure, it's the fanboy hype that's turning my stomach. This is pretty tame here, although it looked for a while like loftywinds was trying to import his own nauseating brand of starry-eyed credulity to here too... Next up, videos of riding in 5 knots wait for it... wait for it...

Once again, no dog in this fight... Only a couple of observations:

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

..... (probably something else going on offshore) ......Could be the downwind guy just wasn't interested in going upwind and fast...

You appear to be adding narrative or unknown back story to the "tangibly" visible information, making assumptions to justify your negative opinion of something you've never even put your hands on... To justify your "turned stomach"

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to poop in your cornflakes but "fanboy" phobia is just a poor excuse for your negative diatribe on a kite you have no experience with.

Do you expect a team rider or someone sponsored by a kite manufacturer to talk ill of the company that supplies their gear... That's ridiculous.

Your initial statements in this thread comparing Chrono to Elf and FS are valid and make sense, but after that it all seems to be self righteous ranting couched in this anti "fanboy" stuff.

Your opinions on the kite are valuable and I'm interested in hearing them, but for your own sake take it down a notch.

Posting videos to show, or otherwise claiming that "I was going upwind better than the other guy ergo my gear is better" assumes that the other guy was going as hard as possible to make upwind ground, is as good as you etc etc - you see where that's going... that's not a negative statement, merely pointing out the reality of the situation. It's a trap everyone falls into - I'm guilty of thinking or saying the same thing too.

It's not a phobia, I'm just an #@%$#!
I expect realism and honesty, not marketing hype and fanboy hot-air. Too much to ask? It seems so, considering the OP and the other fluffer haven't actually used the gear yet either and then amid all the praise, the fanboys tell everyone who doesn't have stars in their eyes to shut up until they actually try it. If that's not fanboydom then please let me know what to call it, as that's the best shorthand I have right now.

You'll have to be more specific about what you consider "self-righteous" if you want an explanation... afraid you lost me there.

I have soft spots for gear for various absurd reasons - brands from my home town, pleasing designs, my first real stuff, gear that saves a session, great customer service - but I'm not naive enough to make erroneous claims to superiority based on longest-standing, highest performance, best quality etc about those brands.

In other words:



Keep it real

Quote: Originally posted by B-Roc

While this is not a kite for me, I withdraw my earlier comments about how it is being marketed as a boosting machine with no supporting vids. Its boosting just fine in this one http://vimeo.com/89812238.

This is very impressive when you take in the fact the wind was only 5 - 8 m/s !

Looks like it can jump over an Elf !

Quote: Originally posted by PistolPete

:P :P

Looking at those videos, I can see how this kite can compete with the likes of Ozone's C4 or the North Vegas when it comes to freestyle. I know that it's meant for freeride, but the Chrono certainly gives the rider enough airtime to perform long stunts as well.

Click below for a glimpse into the future...looks convertible to at least a 3 liner, any performance predictions?

Quote: Originally posted by Sier_Pinski

Looking at those videos, I can see how this kite can compete with the likes of Ozone's C4 or the North Vegas when it comes to freestyle. I know that it's meant for freeride, but the Chrono certainly gives the rider enough airtime to perform long stunts as well.

High AR foil - they all do that, trust me

Quote: Originally posted by PistolPete

Click below for a glimpse into the future...looks convertible to at least a 3 liner, any performance predictions?

Slap an Ozone logo on it and I'm sure you'll be able to ride directly upwind

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

I heard the Chrono dominated! Incredible turn out!

Of course, the kite people use is the only reason for success! Buy a Chrono, and you too will dominate international level races!

When you get one, let us know which events you win...

Actually, Eli will probably stick with winning 1st place with His new Quantum kites like he JUST DID at IBB !
Real bad timing for a challenge like that !

I respect your opinions Kami but I think you need to go out and win a race or 2 before you make idle challenges like that.
Not everybody agrees 100% with Eli all the time but He has a few of those 1st place finishes you call for to back up his opinion.

I am still wondering why they chose the 3 kite range they did ?

Sure. I'll get some Chrono and I'll dominate every race I enter - international level races against the best in the world! Doesn't matter how crap I am, the kite is just that good...



There's a video that shows the start of that race: all but 3 of the competitors (many on Chronos) get stuck behind a ridge when the wind dies. Pretty easy to "dominate" in those conditions, when you're miles out in head to begin with.

Ozone is really throwing the BS marketing terms around lately and it's making a lot of people barf, even die-hard loyal customers.

Word is in - it's a great kite for doing what it does, and I'm not surprised at all with how the reviews have turned out. But it's not the greatest. I'll take less bottom end and fly a bigger Speed3 for the superior relaunch, stability, and durability, thanks.

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

Actually, Eli will probably stick with winning 1st place with His new Quantum kites like he JUST DID at IBB !

When did a brand new event at Ivanpah become a WORLD CLASS RACE? How many people entered? How long was the course? What was the windspeeds? What other wings were being flown?

I mean, these are all pieces of info that are around when you throw an official, world-level, race-event, right?



Why has no kite forum covered this BIG RACE? I'm on several of them. Hell, why hasn't even OUR OWN forum covered this BIG RACE?



I've never seen so many people come into a pissing contest just to squirt a bit of their own urine around, so I might as well join in the spraying of fluids, I at least wore goggles.

Quote: Originally posted by sunset-Jim

Everyone is entitled to their opnion. Say what you will, but is bashing really necessary?

True that… but scoffing at delusions of grandeur and pointing at inaccuracies and falsehoods is not bashing -- bashing would be baseless mocking. That's not what's going on here.

I see "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" has made its way into this sport too…

Quote: Originally posted by erratic winds

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner   Actually, Eli will probably stick with winning 1st place with His new Quantum kites like he JUST DID at IBB ! When did a brand new event at Ivanpah become a WORLD CLASS RACE? How many people entered? How long was the course? What was the windspeeds? What other wings were being flown? I mean, these are all pieces of info that are around when you throw an official, world-level, race-event, right? Why has no kite forum covered this BIG RACE? I'm on several of them. Hell, why hasn't even OUR OWN forum covered this BIG RACE? I've never seen so many people come into a pissing contest just to squirt a bit of their own urine around, so I might as well join in the spraying of fluids, I at least wore goggles.

Where on earth did I suggest Eli won a " WORLD CLASS RACE " all in capital letters ? My quote was clear. He won at IBB. He also hosted the race clinics and put up with all sorts of BS from folks who wanted to do nothing but complain. He deserves my respect for that and all he does to promote the sport. Kami doesn't know Eli and it was interesting he challenged him to go out and win a couple of races when that is what he had just done. I trust that Kami knows I still respect his opinion but was defending what Eli had worked so hard at . ( All so folks like you can whine. )

You make it clear your soul purpose is to come on here and stir it up. This is a thread about the Chrono and you have not offered anything valuable. I don't want this worthwhile thread to go south . Lets get back on topic.

I am still wondering why they designed the series with a top end of 18 kts on land ? :puzzled:

You know, I've been checking back to this thread from now and then. Noticing a lack of the "Warm fuzzy PKF" vibe. Seems a lot of people gunning for other people in the forum lately.

Screw you Feyd :P

I do agree though that this thread, for whatever reason, seems to have polarized a few. If you like ozone, great. If you don't, great. But why rain on another's parade and care what others think/like/fly. Be happy with your choices and let them be happy with theirs. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything (FS, Ozone, Elf or otherwise).

Hell, I'd fly a brown paper bag if it would pull a buggy.
Nothin' but kite love here. The more styles the merrier
I love variety when I blow my money

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

You make it clear your SOLE(corrected) purpose is to come on here and stir it up. This is a thread about the Chrono and you have not offered anything valuable.

Good job ignoring all my questions about the race at IBB! Really useful info about the race, the competitors, and the kites involved, thanks! I'm guessing there was a chrono involved? Just a guess.



You brought up the race win as a 'proof', but don't want to talk about it? Logical.



1. Team riders are allowed to say whatever they want about their products. Usually this will be a repeat verbatim of what the marketing team wrote.

2. We're allowed to poke holes in what the marketing people would like to sell us.

3. You don't own ozone(the company) so why are you getting your feelings so hurt on this topic?

4. Eli's not being specifically attacked, the marketing language and sales package is.

It's like... Ozone hired Michael Bay to write the press kit propaganda that got handed out to the team riders... but The Onion got hold of it :D

"New, for the first time since the last one, from the most awesome company the world has ever seen, comes this summers's blockbuster legend -- the greatest all-terrain kite that will dominate every event it's entered in the last two months!"

Quote: Originally posted by B-Roc

Kami, I generally appreciate your offerings, but you are like a broken record on this thread. We get it, you and the FS folks at Foilzone don't like the chrono. Just don't buy one and let it go. We don't need you to correct all the marketing wrongs of the world. FWIW I have no interest in this kite but don't mind reading / learning about it or any other. I think most can screen out the marketing speak without help from other over zealous critics.

Ugh, no you DON'T get it - it's NOT about pimping the Flysurfer or dissing Oozne! Ffffffuuuuuu....

Feyd's second to last post have the problem here covered...

Actually, I was thinking of Hal Douglas :D

Finally this thread lightened up! Personally, I can't decide between the 12 and 14m for Ivanpah. :smug: It seems odd to make such a fast looking kite that there isn't a size to fly when the wind starts really blowing. Maybe there are other offerings in the pipeline that will cause it to look like a grand plan in the end.

That...just...HAPPENED!!!:o:D

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Always was light -- this is the internet, take it seriously at the cost of your mental health... Dump the Chrono in the water and get back to us, would you? I have a sneaking feeling I know why they inflate so fast...

It's all good. the Chrono relaunches very well. The fabric is very tight, close to zero porosity!

Definition of Porosity or void fraction:

" is a measure of the void (i.e., "empty") spaces in a material, and is a fraction of the volume of voids over the total volume, between 0 and 1, or as a percentage between 0 and 100%. There are many ways to test porosity in a substance or part, such as industrial CT scanning. The term porosity is used in multiple fields including pharmaceutics, ceramics, metallurgy, materials, manufacturing, earth sciences, soil mechanics and engineering."

The wind range could easily eliminate the need for more that a couple kites. No Pumping and huge wind range!

I intakes are long valves built with water resistant material.

The reason why it inflates so well is that Ozone is the best at designing ram air technology! The designer rides the kite and test every aspect of it's performance, and eliminates any problem that could come up. Robbie's dad wrote the book on it!

Kamikuza, try one! The Chrono is so incredibly tight and well engineered it could not of come one day earlier!

It is leading the foil re-evolution!

Good luck out there with what ever you fly. If you're interested at all in the Chrono, go get your hands on one!

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Quote: Originally posted by sunset-Jim   Everyone is entitled to their opnion. Say what you will, but is bashing really necessary? True that… but scoffing at delusions of grandeur and pointing at inaccuracies and falsehoods is not bashing -- bashing would be baseless mocking. That's not what's going on here. I see "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" has made its way into this sport too…

I put this out there for ya Kamikuza.

I will take you on snow water or land!

and at the end of the day, I will still have more fun and more friends!

And that would prove... yours is the better kite...? My delusions of grandeur was directed at Ozone's marketing spiel not you or your achievements -- wasn't having a swipe at you! I know that it's more often than not the man and not the machine....

"Relaunches fine" is not the reports that are coming in from seasoned foil riders in marginal conditions on the water, so excuse me if I don't take your word on that. Too much AR is my guess...

Porosity isn't on my mind, it's the internal structure of the cells -- the reason FSers fill slower is the passageways between cells. I'm guessing the Chrono is more open and am wondering. How that affects relaunch...

There's a dealer here who apparently has demos, down in Okinawa. Odds are better for me if I go down there though... but I doubt there are any surprises in store. Sorry

Uh?
No, I said that already. No and I'm wondering how that's relevant.
No.
Uh?
I choose all of them :D
Then why challenge me to a race?
Good for you. If that's your only criteria, I'm sure you'll be happy.
Thanks. Well, since you put it that way, I won't bother

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Uh? No, I said that already. No and I'm wondering how that's relevant. No. Uh? I choose all of them :D Then why challenge me to a race? Good for you. If that's your only criteria, I'm sure you'll be happy. Thanks. Well, since you put it that way, I won't bother

Finally?

While you were typing....I was kiting!

LOL

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

and at the end of the day, I will still have more fun and more friends!

What a rude comment to make.

Quote: Originally posted by csa_deadon

After reading this thread, and seeing all of the different opions people have about kites and each other I have only this to say. Chedder Cheese rules!! All of you who eat any other type of cheese are fools and have no palate! The only execption to this would be any flaver of canned cheese will do when one has no chedder! Now just replace cheese with your choosen brand of kite, and eat with fly. Now read this post aloud 10 times. You sound funny! Just get out there and fly fool. Don't forget to smile.

Cheddar is ok but Gouda is the best!

Did somebody say my name? If anybody is in the land of cheddar cheese, it's me:P

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It a funny how those sitting on the sidelines are taking this whole thing oh-so-seriously while most of us "arguing" are just amusing ourselves... ah, the internet!

Is that what all this is? People being ornery? Fair enough.

Quote: Originally posted by hardstatic

Quote: It a funny how those sitting on the sidelines are taking this whole thing oh-so-seriously while most of us "arguing" are just amusing ourselves... ah, the internet! Is that what all this is? People being ornery? Fair enough.

You mustn't get out much... with three posts, I'd have spent a bit more time watching before I put my oar in -- and I'm a old crap-stirrer from way back.

I had to look up ornery to make sure; the answer is no. This a entertInment between bouts of being hardcore.

Right, I was totally off base:

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And Kami, please town down your language man.

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Hey Kamikuza, you're the guy making this personal!

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Say what you will, but is bashing really necessary?

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I've never seen so many people come into a pissing contest just to squirt a bit of their own urine around...

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You make it clear your soul purpose is to come on here and stir it up. This is a thread about the Chrono and you have not offered anything valuable. I don't want this worthwhile thread to go south . Lets get back on topic.

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You know, I've been checking back to this thread from now and then. Noticing a lack of the "Warm fuzzy PKF" vibe. Seems a lot of people gunning for other people in the forum lately.

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I do agree though that this thread, for whatever reason, seems to have polarized a few.

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I'm with 3shot, nothin but kite love here too and bladerunner just wants to discuss a cool new kite and there's never anything wrong with that. Lighten up guys, we're talking about kites, not solving world problems.

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There just seems to be a higher than usual level of conflict here lately, especially in this thread.

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Kami, I generally appreciate your offerings, but you are like a broken record on this thread.

And eventually... after Kamikuza posted a video in response to Feyd's attempt to inject humor:

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Finally this thread lightened up!

And here we go again... this here is simple deflection. You marginalize people's comments and thoughts because you can't conduct yourself with civility - I have a "friend" who operates in a similar manner. Push buttons, push buttons, and then pretend it's all in fun. It's weak. The Internet is a communications medium. How you conduct yourself on the Internet is a reflection of the type of person you are in, well, in person.

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Always was light -- this is the internet, take it seriously at the cost of your mental health...

Here comes the douchebaggery:

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and at the end of the day, I will still have more fun and more friends!

Then enter the cheese. Kite discussion to "cheese and whiskey" because people were uncomfortable. Still not done with personal attacks though:

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You mustn't get out much...

I'll put my "oar" in whenever I please, thank you sir. After all, it's the Internet, right?

Kenadian whiskey will make any kite seem like the best out there.:D