Speed3 19 or Psycho4 19?

You want to trade straight across, my 19m 2.5 for your 21m 3? I accept. U2U me the details and we will work it out.

No I'm keeping the 21, fo sho! Nice try though

My only concern would be that the P4 would not have the same amount of power as the S3. The psycho4s are a little fatter, and it has been generally noted that they are not good performers in light wind. I have seen people use them, but not in the wind ranges that you would expect. I have flown some of the smaller P4s (12,10,8), and the only thing I can say is that you really have to build up apparent wind before these kites really hit their power.

I recall a day when I was riding my 12 Outlaw (on snow) feeling very overpowered. I did not think it was enough wind for my 8m Outlaw (at the time) and switched to the 10 P4 and was so severly underpowered that I had to move up to the 12. Maybe the larger side performs better, and maybe this is what you are looking for. This was just my experience with the kite. Maybe I was doing something wrong...

I would suggest trying it out in the conditions you would expect to use it, but I know you are kind of limited in that respect. I hope this works out for you. Best of luck.

That's actually what I'm counting on - I want it to divide the gap between the 21 and the 15, so being a bit gutless for a 19 is fine
Heard they like apparent wind and being worked ...

If not - it'll be up for sale :D

Well.. if yer willing to drop the dough, go for it.
Good test to see what kind of range you feel it has. I'd be curious to see how it compares to the S3 15m Deluxe, regardless of what material you get it with.

You're only confused cos you read a message I sent months ago and mixed them all up :D serves you right for being a lazy pen pal. Enjoy the t-shirt

Apparently, there was only ever a DLX 19 ...? The price is right - we'll see!

... planted a male & female kiwifruit vine in the garden at the new house too - will be a while before we get fruit though

Word on tip-tuck was shrunken ring lines, IIRC ...

Dunno ... they're just babies at the moment but the old vine would grow like a crazy thing! A couple of meters per season. So probably a couple of years

Actually, tonight would have been a perfect occasion for a P4 19 ... when I got to the lake, I thought I had arrived as the wind was dying off - as forecast. So I launched the 21 and discovered I was nicely powered on my smallest board ... then the wind picked up whee!

Not the one I just paid for, I hope

Oh apparently it came with a 50cm bar so there's some kind of 60cm HQ bar on there ... my OCD is twitching already :o

Wondered where you got to! Guatemala ... quite the opposite direction

I like the FSer bar just fine - stopper would be an easy mod too, lazy bones :D
Don't like the FDS either, always fiddly bloody things ... might go to mini-5th too.

Well I got the P4 on Saturday - it's a regular cloth jobbie ... weighs more than the 21 :o

The kite itself looks fine - canopy is in nice condition. A couple of bridle lines need replacing - wasn't told about that.

The HQ bar looked like a nightmare when I unpacked it and lived up to its appearance - can't even fly the kite with it it's way over-sheeted, so even with the front lines on the closest knots :o and fully trimmed, it won't fly without me hauling on the center lines. The FDS is miles too short - unless I wanted to play a one-string banjo.
So it's utterly useless.

The FSer bar that I thought could be return to an operating condition is missing the plastic line separater (wasn't told that either) so it's useless too.

I've emailed the store that sold it, we'll see what they have to say. We are not amused. If I'd known all this, I wouldn't have bothered!!! :ticking:

My S3 12 is regular cloth and it's heavy too it's fine once it's in the air ... we'll see! Gotta get it flying first :-/ hoping it'll be good for 15 to 20 knots and the small board :D

Yeah that little thing in the hole where the depower line goes. The seller has agreed to refund me $100 toward a new bar ... John from powerzonekitesports does a mod that's apparently pretty hot for $100 but add in shipping ...

I wonder if I could do something myself ...?

Yeah, decided I liked the Speed feeling better. Now I want the P4 15 back to compare to the S3

The pin in the depower hole that the plastic spreader hinges on - if that's gone too then I guess you have no problems

Oh! Hand it over then

ahaha, Kami, a couple of unity kites and you'll be a listed as a FS demo place soon.

I'm sure I'd do a bloody better job at it than the chump who's doing it here now...!
The locals are all interested...they sort of lurk around asking tentative questions, like someone poking something that washed up on the beach and aren't sure if it's dead yet I'd love to get a U-10 into their hands ... so long as it wasn't mine :o

Not yet... the summer tasks me, and I shall lie on the sofa in front of the fan

Got the FSer bar - used, 3/5 stars for condition they said - and it's in almost perfect condition :o looks like a new bar was dropped on the beach and they couldn't be bothered washing the sand off but the FDS flying line (white thing thin) was just cut off the kite so I *may* have to get a new one, which is annoying.

Getting around to putting a bearing on the QR though...

... and - it'd be nice if we had some wind :o