Power Kite Forum

Newby, Idiot & help

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 06:47 AM

Hi All, I'm new to Power Kites, I'm new to this forum and I'm an idiot.

I purchased a PKD Buster Soulfly and made the mistake of disconecting the birdles. I am now not sure what to connect to what

I have the colour coded lines but there are many white lines and I dont know how to identify the White Break Lines and the White lines that should be connected to the power lines (or how to connect them)?? :megan:

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help.

Regards

Sandy

lad - 21-2-2012 at 07:08 AM

Hi Sandy, and welcome!

The bridles on a 4 line power kite are in two groups. The top, Power lines and the bottom Brake lines.

Just tug on one of the left side bridle attachment knots - if the top side of the kite moves, it's the left, top Power bridle (and whose line attaches, correspondingly, to the TOP leader line on your LEFT handle). The handle's Power lines are often thicker than the brake lines. The left Power line is often RED colored (or have a red tag or marking). The right Power lines are sometimes Blue or neutral.

Following this, tug some more bridle lines, if the bottom part moves, the Brake lines go there and attach to the bottom leaders of your handles.



Courtesy of Anguses' excellent tutorials at Coastal Wind Sports

You use the "LarS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s Head Knot" to attach lines:


I can still mix up my line attachments after I take them off when untangling or untwisting bridles, so don't feel bad.'

The biggest tip I can give any new, power kiter:
Your skill levels will jump like 200% when you get to the beach (or anyplace else that has a clean, steady, ground-to-sky wind).

I was struggling between 3 different kites yesterday in an inland, tree-lined field nearby where the wind kept dying or shifting all day. Believe me, I pretty much felt like a "newbie idiot" ALL day!:singing:

Looking_Up - 21-2-2012 at 07:23 AM

I think he is saying that he removed the bridle lines
In which case I won't be to much help I have never seen one of those kites

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 07:32 AM

Welcome Sandy, now why would you disconnect perfectly good bridle lines?????? From the canopy or from the bundle where it joins the leaders?

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 07:33 AM

I can send you a pic to help sort this out

lad - 21-2-2012 at 07:33 AM

Sandy said
"I dont know how to identify the White Break Lines and the White lines that should be connected to the power lines "

I dont' think (or hope) Sandy managed to remove all the bridle attachment points from the kite itself!!! (you'd probably need something SHARP for that, wouldn't you?) :-)

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 07:43 AM

thanks for your comments so far guys,

you are correct in the fact that i have disconected the bridles form the point where i connect it to the lines, not from the kite itself.

Where i have messed up is that i disconected the lines from each other, as in they all come to 4 points (L/R Power and L/R Break) now i have about 10 lines not tied to anything and i'm not sure what ones go where?

Again thanks so far.

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 07:45 AM

you would have to take apart the bridle

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 07:46 AM

ok I got out my 3.3 buster

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 07:46 AM

WELDNGOD - I did say i was an idiot lol!

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 07:47 AM

your brakes are the ones at the trailing edge of the canopy,it should have it's own white leader

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 07:49 AM

so they just come to a white leader, is it the one that doesnt have the loop on the end, it just has not?

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 07:53 AM

all the others just larkshead to pigtail(knot at one end loop at the other) Put all the lines from one side of the sail through the loop on the pigtail. then put the knotted end through the loops of the lines,pull tight. Try to get both sides layed out evenly and not twisted or it will affect canopy shape.

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by sandy-m2
so they just come to a white leader, is it the one that doesnt have the loop on the end, it just has not?
yes, that should be the two that are attached to the bottom of the kite

Scudley - 21-2-2012 at 07:56 AM

What a nice guy, Don. You have patience.

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:03 AM

here is a pic of the bundle

DSCF1472.JPG - 72kB

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Scudley
What a nice guy, Don. You have patience.
:):saint: I'm tryin...

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 08:16 AM

WELDNGOD you are an absolute star! but.... I'm still not sure, I've done one side and i think i have it but just want to check.

There are 8 points that go to the break lines, 4 on each side, and they are the 8 in the middle on the bottom edge - if we just look at the right side, these join together and then join to the break line.

I really apreciate everyones patience with the stupid scottish guy!

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:20 AM

no do not join to brake line

dandre - 21-2-2012 at 08:23 AM

I used to disconnect my lines every time I was finished flying.
I found disconnecting and wrapping the lines in a figure 8 pattern was actually quicker than wrapping the handles.
You just have less tangles/headaches when you unwrap

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 08:23 AM

ok 2 seconds i'm just uploading a diagram....

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:23 AM

this is a 4 line kite 2 power leads(1 left and 1 right) and 2 brake leads(1 left and 1 right). the brakes should be fine already,you just need to get the powers back together.

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 08:28 AM

ok i think i have it, WELDNGOD thank you very much, i'm going to go do the other side and then pack it up ready for the beach this weekend.

THANKS!!!

mougl - 21-2-2012 at 08:30 AM

THIS is why I love PKF! New and seasoned kiters, help is here without bias. You da man WG :)

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 08:36 AM

Wait Wait, just looked at the left side and got myself confused again! - How many points on the kite go to the break line white leader?

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:37 AM

quite a few

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:38 AM

half of all the lines on the trailing edge

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:40 AM

all the trailing lines are brakes ,the ones on the left half ,go to the left brake leader and the same thing on the right. All the other ones are power line Bridles

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 08:40 AM

ok, thats awesome. i'll get it sorted! :cool::thumbup::bisou::bouncy:

BeamerBob - 21-2-2012 at 09:09 AM

I spent 2 hours untangling a pkd buster last night. My son packed it and one of the power bridles was a huge knot and the other just had a few twists. The bridle lines are soft and flexible so they find tangles easily. Also they are all white so its difficult to figure what needs to pass through the knot to make progress. It's the worst bridle tangle I've ever dealt with. I was actually fearing defeat and was looking to see how the bridles attached to the kite for a "plan B" bridle replacement. Victory in the end though!

WG, good job getting the OP out of his mess. Welcome to the forum Sandy! Remember, there are 2 kinds of idiots: The ones that know it and the ones that don't. The ones that don't know it are the dangerous ones. In the end, you know MUCH more about how a kite works than you would've if you hadn't made your mistake.

sandy-m2 - 21-2-2012 at 09:48 AM

Thanks everyone, thats it sorted and packed up. cant wait.

Kudos to Don.

skimtwashington - 21-2-2012 at 10:50 AM

Yes, a nice community...indeed.


Quote:

I really apreciate everyones patience with the stupid scottish guy!


Hey...you don't mean all Scottish? They are not stupid...they invented that tape!
We're all a little bit kite-ish here.:P

rocfighter - 21-2-2012 at 01:38 PM

So Donnie when I am in trouble I'm coming your way. And then you will be in trouble!! :smilegrin:
I have to say I am glad to know you and all the others here I have met over the years. All good folks. Yes even Todd who is AWL most of the time now. But we love him just the same.:D
Yes Sandy there is a PKF and we are all lucky for it.

RedSky - 21-2-2012 at 02:42 PM

You're not alone Sandy. I actually did remove the trailing edge bridles from the kite itself!
When I first started out in powerkiting I just couldn't get to grips with flying 4-lines so I just flew my 8.5 Blade on two and I removed all the lower bridles flapping in the wind.

Landing and relaunching was a pain tho. You see, just as there's always someone worse off than yourself, there's also always someone dumber too. :smilegrin:

Bladerunner - 21-2-2012 at 06:23 PM

Idiots are Us !

The great thing about this community is collectively we have made every mistake possible.

You have found your Family !

WELDNGOD - 21-2-2012 at 08:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
WG, good job getting the OP out of his mess.


Just paying it back to the community that helped me. I would not be where I'm at now, if not for the PKF.

And I fly for the N.A. Dist. of PKD, and all I fly are PKDs now.:ninja: Busters:ninja:,Cents:ninja: and Combats:ninja: !:wee: Kind of seemed like I was the one that needed to step up to the plate.:saint: PKF RULES!