jimerke - 19-6-2011 at 02:22 AM
hallo, i am jietse, 17 years old and i live in belgium. i am 70 kilo's
i'm new in this so i don't know which one i should take: a new 4 lines HQ Beamer 4.0 or a pansh legend 4.5....
the beamer is used four times, the pansh is new.
they both cost 135 euro's.
gr jietse
ps i can fly with to lined kites but i have never flown(?) with 4 lines....
jimerke - 19-6-2011 at 02:25 AM
ow yeah, i want also to learn mountainboarding with it and some jumping..... and yes i have a helmet ( i do white water kayak)
nocando - 19-6-2011 at 02:43 AM
go scope this site out heaps of info
www.coastalwindsports.com
Check tutorials
jimerke - 19-6-2011 at 05:45 AM
hanx but i dreallly want to hear it from someone with experience
greasehopper - 19-6-2011 at 06:30 AM
Ask a hundred people and ya get a hundred different answers. The question comes down to getting good value for your investment.
As an entry level piece, either kite should work for you. I think you'll find investing in pads will benefit you as well, but that's me, the old,
cautious guy with brittle bones and too many scars... If the Beamer is a newer model (mark III, IV), it should come with better accessories, pack,
lines, handles, line winder, ground stake, perhaps a set of kite killers. All are superior and far in excess of what Pansh puts in their bag.
Kamikuza - 19-6-2011 at 06:38 AM
Hello again 
I still vote for the HQ too - IIRC username Chris is the HQ man on these forums ...?
bobalooie57 - 19-6-2011 at 06:44 AM
I haven't flown the Legend, but have flown the Pansh Flux in 4M. This was on last years "Pass the Pansh", and the Flux arrived in a drawstring sack,
without lines or handles. I'm not sure that the Legend ships with lines/handles, but have read that the lines/handles that come with Pansh kites are
not of the best quality. The Flux was well put together, and flew well for the conditions I had it out in. The Beamer, though not made to be
especially lifty, will lift you in the right conditions. I'm not sure how lifty the Legend is designed to be. I agree with greasehopper that the
Beamer is likely to be a better value for your money.
shehatesmyhobbies - 19-6-2011 at 06:52 AM
Beamer for sure! More agile, better bang for your buck. The legend does make good power, but I just think the Beamer would be easier to move around in
the window! Bridle if not changed from when I had Pansh kites is not as good quality as the Beamer as well. Not to mention Beamer has adjustment
knots on the brake leads coming from the kite making it easy to "trim" in different winds. All in all IMO HQ just a better built kite.
+1 for the accessories that come with the HQ if so.
jimerke - 19-6-2011 at 07:47 AM
okay i'll take the beamer 4.0
Bladerunner - 19-6-2011 at 07:59 AM
Both of these are good choices if not a bit big.
Neither is a jumping kite but they will lift you.
The beamer will come with kite killers a stake , DVD and superior bag. You will NEED killers and a stake if you buy Pansh.
Pansh kites do not come with any instructions + often need adjustment right out of the bag. The Beamer will be Ready To Fly. Pansh doesn't have any
Rep you can go to with questions. Chris is as available as this forum.
HQ support our local events and riders.
The Beamer will resell for more money + faster.
g00fba11 - 19-6-2011 at 08:06 AM
If the beamer has only been used 4 times and comes complete (kite, bag, handles, lines, stake, kite killers) as new I would go with the beamer.
I began kiting on Pansh kites and still keep some in my quiver to let new flyers try out power kiting. I have replaced all of the pansh handles with
HQ/PL handles as Pansh handles are not very high quality. The lines are OK. With the Legend you get a stuff sack, lines and handles. I still
like my 2m Legend for those ballistic wind days. Pansh comes with no instructions, no kite killers and no stake like the beamer or PL hornet. On a
side note. With a Pansh you may need to restack your bridles. I had to learn this early on. My second Pansh would not fly. After some research
on forums, some pointers from experienced kiters and comparing the existing Legend to my new Legend I discovered the bridles were not stacked
correctly on my second kite. It took some doing as I was a newbie, but I managed to get things sorted out and my second kite flying. If this
would have happened to me on my first kite I probably would have figured I just couldn't fly and have given up on this exciting sport/addiction.
The new Pansh Flux are very nice quality kites but are only offered as free prototypes with a qualifying purchase and only come with kite killers no
lines or handles. My boys love to fly the Flux on an Ozone bar.
GO WITH THE BEAMER. Great choice for a first kite. No hassles. No problems......
jimerke - 19-6-2011 at 09:00 AM
thanx for the advice, one last question: is the beamer also good to learn how i should mountainboard?
Bladerunner - 19-6-2011 at 09:51 AM
Yes, It will . Once you master it you will find it will work on the board in higher winds .
The fact of the sport is that you will need more than 1 kite to fit all your needs. It will be a great kite for learning to fly and for learning to
ride ATB but you will end up looking for a larger kite to jump + power you in lower winds. At that point you may want to look into a depower kite as
your second kite ?
jimerke - 19-6-2011 at 12:40 PM
it might be, its lik kayakking started with one know i have already five kayaks...
if its possible i will try (when i can handle larger kites well) that i'll try to combine these two like kitesurfing, kite kayakking...
kiteboyza - 19-6-2011 at 03:28 PM
Go with the Pansh, they have a free kite offer to. You also get lots of support, they have a whole forum just for Pansh kites. If you have problems
or need answers about Pansh, speak to me, I am a rep for Pansh
Cheers
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thanson2001ok - 19-6-2011 at 03:48 PM
@jimerke
Google Peter Lynn Kite Cat. That will get your imagination going! I know PL produced a few kayaks for a while. I believe they had front and back
rudders that were controlled with your feet. I don't think that they were very popular. There was one on the forum for sale a year or so ago. The
challenge with a kayak is dealing with the side pull when trying to stay up wind.
acmbarber - 19-6-2011 at 05:14 PM
I started with Pansh kites because I could get the free 4m flux which was fine for learning on and the ace for jumping when I was ready for the price.
That being said, I'm 220 lbs and the 4m was still a bit big if it was my smallest kite. I've heard that the legend is one of their older kite designs.
tridude - 19-6-2011 at 07:36 PM
learn to fly the kite, where she does and doesnt make power, reverse launch, etc........ before you consider adding a landboard. The Beamer will do
fine with an ATB once your ready.................................My first power kite was a 3.6m Beamer II and loved it.............
nocando - 19-6-2011 at 10:24 PM
Hey fella you should go scope those tutorials out they were made by experinced types for NEWBS