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Best high wind kite (besides 9m Phantom)

Seanny - 13-3-2011 at 03:14 PM

Title says it all :)

Looking for a good high wind kite. Lots of lift, reasonable cost. I was thinking about a 10m Scorpion, but was told they aren't nearly as good as the larger sizes. I could settle for a 10m Venom or VII, but I just want some input.

flyjump - 13-3-2011 at 03:41 PM

Yeah v2 10m

AD72 - 13-3-2011 at 04:12 PM

7M Pulse is a good one too

Seanny - 13-3-2011 at 04:43 PM

I really like the idea of a Pulse. It looks to me that I'd get a bit more range out of a 10m Pulse 2. I don't need a kite to take out in nuking winds... just something for the mid 20s - 30s. (MPH)

g-force junkie - 13-3-2011 at 05:00 PM

I use a 10 Venom 1 and a 8 Venom 1 for my gusty mountain winds here in Colorado, only problem is it takes 15mph to get anything out of either one but from there on up to 30(my limit) its all good.:yes:

action jackson - 13-3-2011 at 05:03 PM

6m Phantom!:duh:.............aj

Kamikuza - 13-3-2011 at 05:10 PM

10m Synergy :D I got a real beauty sitting in the cupboard doing nothing :)

carltb - 13-3-2011 at 05:10 PM

man up!!!! its only high winds after 30+mph so 20 - 30 you're looking at a 12m!!

one kite i will never sell is my v1 10m this is my high wind kite from 30+ to infinity!!!

action jackson - 13-3-2011 at 05:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by carltb
man up!!!! its only high winds after 30+mph so 20 - 30 you're looking at a 12m!!

one kite i will never sell is my v1 10m this is my high wind kite from 30+ to infinity!!!
I only get about 40 for the top in on the 10v1 but the 6m I had comfortable in 55+ winds!....aj

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g-force junkie - 13-3-2011 at 05:21 PM

Carl
you are the Man, young and tough but us old guys break easy and it takes a long time to heal, thus the size and speed limit

flyjump - 13-3-2011 at 05:24 PM

This thread is beautiful. Best words I've read in a long time

Seanny - 13-3-2011 at 05:38 PM

We don't get 30+ mph wind, that's the problem.

And if we do, it's 30 mph gusting to 2346246324. Thus the need for a small kite. I like to ride the storm wind.

I ride my 13m Venom up until about 28 mph. I'll take another Venom, but me thinks it's not lifty enough. :)

EDIT: I should mention that I'm around 56 kg.

g-force junkie - 13-3-2011 at 05:50 PM

I have a 13mtr Scorpion in pristine condition that I would turn loose of and it will definitely rock your world in the wind your talking about, plenty of lift and the bonus, float.

ripsessionkites - 13-3-2011 at 05:56 PM

PL CH or FS P4

Taper123 - 13-3-2011 at 06:06 PM

Chargers!!!!!!

That says it all.

Seanny - 13-3-2011 at 06:22 PM

I'm on a bit of a budget, but the new job is working out very well. I should have racked up a pretty good amount of dough by this summer. Charger may be the answer. I'm also seriously looking to a 2008 9m Waroo? It just looks to me like a super fun kite for high wind days.

@g-force
I already have a 13m kite goober. :) Scorp is higher AR, so I'd probably get an extra like 5 mph or so out of it... Still, I'm thinking I need a kite more in the 10m range. Thank you for the offer! I'm curious to know how it performs compared to the 16? I've heard that the smaller Scorps are a bit of a pain, and are very twitchy.

markite - 13-3-2011 at 07:15 PM

I think on the smaller Scorpions it's a bit of a coin toss on for some of the various issues. I have a 10 and 16 and the 10 has had a few times that needed that coaxing to inflate but once inflated - no problems at all. As the kite got more air time and stretching the inflation issues dropped - in fact it's the one kite I have kept as one of my NABX rides and I've had it take me up to 60mph in the buggy (not wind speed). Now a couple of the 13's I've found twitchier to inflate and lot's of blown launches on our gusty winter wind days. Then another friends goes up like a dream. I think a bit of breaking in on the Scorpions improves performance but not a kite that I feel I can take and hand to first time arc flier as easily as some other models of twinskins.

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Seanny - 13-3-2011 at 07:23 PM

Very good explanation, Markite. Adam told me that the 16 performs best because it's the one that is most like flying a mattress of air. The others are difficult to inflate and lose air quickly, and aren't as thick as the 16.

9m Waroo, 10m Charger/Synergy is sounding really good right about now :)

Feyd - 13-3-2011 at 07:27 PM

10m V1 or V2 will get the job done on high wind days. 8m Venom on 40+ days.

Equivilent Syn and Charger sizes as well.

I've been using the CH 10m for my high wind kite but I'm really impressed at the wind range on the 8m.

Seanny - 13-3-2011 at 07:31 PM

Feyd, are the Chargers/Synergy's more lifty than the Venoms? I know the Venom has a higher AR, but it seems to me that I can't get the lift out of mine that I'd like.

Kamikuza - 13-3-2011 at 08:34 PM

Arcs like to move fast ... gotta use that speed for power! VPC & straps on the later models make noticeable difference ...

geokite - 13-3-2011 at 08:46 PM

I agree with aj, 6m phantom, but not around 50mph of wind. Remember, double the wind speed results in four times the energy. Can't imagine four times the pull compared to 25mph.

I would not want to fly a charger at least for the buggy. On the water it would be fine.

markite - 13-3-2011 at 08:48 PM

technique and kite speed play an important part. One day on the beach we had a Vortex, Venom 2 and Scorpion of similar sizes and V2 had a little more boost and longer float than the Vortex - the Scorpion had more vertical boost but not quite as much float. The Synergys then came along and they have really nice float to them and because they turned a bit quicker than the V2 you could redirect it carrying a little more speed and get that little bit more boost. Now the Chargers - faster again, I haven't had the chance to do as much jumping this winter but on the water i had some great days with a 12 and 15. Different wind and wave conditions for the more outstanding days, the 12 having good height because it's was a really windy day with some nice waves set up.
The faster you can get the kite to fly and if you feel the pressure build with the bar out, redirect hard and pull in no doubt about it you'll go.

arkay - 13-3-2011 at 09:22 PM

I have a 10m pulse that I'm really not using. I flew it about 5 times last year, it just overlaps with my other kites too much which always seems to be out their bags a lot. U2U me if interested.