Power Kite Forum - Peter Lynn LEI spy shots

Peter Lynn LEI spy shots

Kamikuza - 11-2-2011 at 05:43 PM

Apparently, this is it :lol:

I heard it through the grapevine though ...

Feyd - 11-2-2011 at 06:06 PM

How do we know that's a PL LEI? It's naked! It could be anyone's LEI.

It could be a Kamikuza Kites Prototype!:o

You been holding out on us you bastard? :smilegrin:

;-):P

:sniff::smug: :rolleyes:

:puzzled::wink2::wow::tumble: :yes:

Bladerunner - 11-2-2011 at 06:11 PM

Looks a lot like the Wainman prototype was my 1st thought ? Accept those loops from the strut to leading edge ? WTF for :puzzled:

'Course Kami has a way of finding this stuff ?

Kamikuza - 11-2-2011 at 06:13 PM

The zoo over at kiteforum.com ... someone mentioned it, someone has seen it, someone else wanted to laugh at arcs :lol:

BR - one pump inflation ... you pump at the LE and when the kite is full, you can pinch off the struts - assuming it's like the Cabrinha system ...

Bladerunner - 11-2-2011 at 07:25 PM

HaHa!

Surfing both land and water sites is twice as entertaining for you I'm sure. Thanks for the Nudge . Entertaining read! :crazy:

tridude - 11-2-2011 at 07:38 PM

Wainman leading edge does not sit flush.......its like a rocking chair in motion.........................niceeeeee a PL tube :smilegrin:

ripsessionkites - 11-2-2011 at 07:45 PM

concur that the Rabbits are delta shape.

yes, they are PL Protos, you'll also see them in competition. the other colour is Red Tubes with Grey Sail, the other colour is Green Tubes with White sail (from what i remember at the HQ) as well. all over no print on it.

look for them on the race course scene, they are doing great.

there will 3 models of the LEI ... nuff said for now.

tridude - 11-2-2011 at 07:55 PM

nice.................are they/will they be promoting them for land and water? careful folks, fly one and your foils could go bye bye........... :lol:

:duh:

Feyd - 11-2-2011 at 08:11 PM

Though I have no doubt that the PL LEI will be a kickass piece of kite I don't forsee myself ever givin up riding an Arc for one.

I would however like to get my grubby little hands on one and see what it can do.;-)

Frathouse - 11-2-2011 at 08:15 PM

Those "loops" in the photo are the one pump connections to the struts.

kitesurfer - 12-2-2011 at 03:52 AM

it require a pump...bladders fail...

Bladerunner - 12-2-2011 at 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ripsessionkites

look for them on the race course scene, they are doing great.

there will 3 models of the LEI ... nuff said for now.

I have heard this hint that they have been racing at the zoo to ?

I don't know for races but won't PL be about the only inflatabe buggy racing ? :puzzled:

BeamerBob - 12-2-2011 at 09:58 AM

I think its a race where there is a course set up on water and much like a buggy race, the riders negotiate the markers for several laps to find a winner. Just guessing.

ripsessionkites - 12-2-2011 at 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bladerunner

Quote:

Originally posted by ripsessionkites

look for them on the race course scene, they are doing great.

there will 3 models of the LEI ... nuff said for now.

I have heard this hint that they have been racing at the zoo to ?

I don't know for races but won't PL be about the only inflatabe buggy racing ? :puzzled:

racing on water.

there is a whole league going on ... and is a huge hit in California. all your kite boarders get in there. there is a huge movement going on in other countries.

this will bring us closer to the Olympic games. fingers crossed.

tridude - 12-2-2011 at 07:23 PM

will PL follow Flexi on an inflatable depower line up only? honestly the newer inflatables have better low end so why not?

Seanny - 12-2-2011 at 07:32 PM

@tridude
I don't think they'll ditch the ARCs completely. I mean, they're Peter Lynn's best selling kites, and the most unique power kites in the world.

Plus, they have an unbeatable top end. I think every kite has it's place.

Rip, were you being serious about the Olympic Games? I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm or not. ...I'm not sure I'd want kiting in the Olympics. :dunno: I don't think the ENTIRE WORLD should be encouraged to go out and buy a power kite... that'd be such a mess in so many ways if kiting hit the mainstream. I'm fine with the way it is. Just my 2c.

Kamikuza - 12-2-2011 at 08:21 PM

Yes, someone is trying to get it into the Olympics. Whoopee

ripsessionkites - 12-2-2011 at 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Seanny
@tridude
I don't think they'll ditch the ARCs completely. I mean, they're Peter Lynn's best selling kites, and the most unique power kites in the world.

Question 1 (A): for the record PLP has no ideas or intentions to remove any Twinskin from the lineup of kites when the LEI launches. At the moment there is also new develop on the TS Lineup. those that enjoy TS will continue to have the freedom to ride and get support from them with future of TS looking bright. I know this because I work for PLP.

Question 2 (A): yes i was serious about the Olympics and Kiteboarding. there is a whole movement trying to get it going for the Summer 2016 games. I would hope many of you will support this as I have too. This will only put kiteboarding more into the spot light. I have yet to see windsurfing happen due to the winds, but kiteboarding requires less, IMO only.

more information can be found here: http://www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php?option=co...

videos: http://vimeo.com/13729246

Kamikuza - 13-2-2011 at 12:00 AM

Oooh new TS? Should we hold up the Chargers then? :D

Bladerunner - 13-2-2011 at 09:51 AM

I find it interesting that PL has not developed a depower foil line to compete ?

Seems they are on top of foil design and could add to that world + compete with Flysurfer for low wind dominance.

I expect they know a thing or 2 about LEi but you would think that sticking with foils would have fit their manufacturing set-up better?

Anybody know why PL has avoided depower foils while leading in FB ?

arkay - 13-2-2011 at 11:26 AM

center strut, really? Hope not.

ripsessionkites - 13-2-2011 at 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bladerunner
I find it interesting that PL has not developed a depower foil line to compete ?

Seems they are on top of foil design and could add to that world + compete with Flysurfer for low wind dominance.

I expect they know a thing or 2 about LEi but you would think that sticking with foils would have fit their manufacturing set-up better?

Anybody know why PL has avoided depower foils while leading in FB ?

bro just you wait ... all things are moving in the right direction for us.

YES, you speak depower and its coming :wee:

geokite - 14-2-2011 at 11:54 AM

It's like a story being delivered one line at a time!

herc - 14-2-2011 at 12:31 PM

wohoo ! finally a depower bridled foil :-)
i hope it will have excellent light wind power (just like flysurfers) !
for the tome beeing i will soon try to depower my 7.7 lynn twister. just a pulley for the c-row, but better than no depower. depower really is a big plus in gusty inland conditions..

anyone tried to depower a vapor? or is the profile so optimized, that it will stay stable only at that specific angle that is set with the fixed bridle? does a vapor has a trimmable bridle (as my rusty PKD buster II has, and as uturn butan II has ?)

herc - 14-2-2011 at 12:51 PM

btw, some new products (fixed bridle only at the moment) are already listed here:

http://lenkdrachen-bradel.de/
http://lenkdrachen-bradel.de/hauptfenster/4leinermatten/4lei...

Hornet II

Viper S

Twister II R

Core von Peter Lynn 2011

ripsessionkites - 14-2-2011 at 01:34 PM

Yep 2011 looks good and the RII got new colours too.

Vapor remains the same.

I asked Michel to make one of Vapor 16m depower for the winter season and he asked why and left it like that. However he would produce a 10m twister II depower for me.

2011 products begin shipping in March.

herc - 4-3-2011 at 12:14 PM

i finally depower - modded our twister 7.7 !
it was easier than i thought ! two pulleys, a little bit of rope and around half an hour of working time.

more pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/4muwv5o

testing it today, sadly in very low winds onlye. just barely enough to keep the kite in the air. flying it on handles i could feel the depower effect and that the kite seems to turn faster and flies faster depowered. but a real test needs to be made in higher wind and on a bar. i am very excited! it was so easy to do and it actually did fly after modding it :eureka:

best thing is: didnt need to change the original bridle, so i can revert to fixed bridle anytime i want; i can even revert to fixed bridle by simply knotting the depower rope that controls the C-row to the front lines instead of to the breaks.
will make a video and more pictures as soon as the wind picks up.
endlich habe ich es endlich geschafft und unsere 7.7 qm peter lynn twister auf einstufige depower umgebaut. leider war heute absolute flaute, sodaß der kite gerade so oben blieb. aber die depowerwirkung war schon recht deutlich zu spüren. evtl muss die anknüpfung der bremse noch optimiert werden - aber das können wir erst bei ordentlich wind testen.

AD72 - 4-3-2011 at 01:42 PM

Um..sorry a bit off topic there. I am guilty of hijacking threads but I thought there would be some actual news about the LEI.

herc - 4-3-2011 at 01:46 PM

i am sorry for that - but i thought it was not worth opening a new thread; and it related to the previous post.. but next time will post more info about the depower mod and how well it works in another / new thread.

Bladerunner - 4-3-2011 at 05:28 PM

Interesting side track !

I have a feeling I may want to try this with my Reactor ? I have to wonder what I will lose of the excellent bottom end I'm getting. I'll be interested in how it effects your bottom end ?

Please DO post on the results further . + can you please U2U me more details on how you went about it.

herc - 5-3-2011 at 02:43 AM

@blade: bottom end does not seem to be affected at all ! only thing that is changes is the minimal added weight due to the pulleys ! if the bar / handles are in neutral position, the bridle positions are the same as if your twister / reactor were in fixed bridle mode. so i think there is no harm to lowend except 20 gramm or so more weight .. of course it could be that steering is different and maybe you cant achieve as much finesse as with fixed bridle brake only steering .. but i actually think the opposite may be true: better airflow because steering is not just braking (and a little AoA) but much more effective AoA changing and thus better airflow? but i think that can be answered better by the experts (krumly?)

will move new infos to a new thread - hope to get more wind and testing the "depower twister" this weekend!

Kamikuza - 5-3-2011 at 05:25 AM

Kind of like the FS system?

acampbell - 5-3-2011 at 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by herc
i finally depower - modded our twister 7.7 !
it was easier than i thought ! two pulleys, a little bit of rope and around half an hour of working time.

Hijacking a thread about LEI's is not the worst crime in the world. :P

What strikes me about this is that the PL fixed bridles are typically cascaded such that the A, B and C's don't come together at one point. So for example they are not good candidates for a Flexifoil AAA adjuster kit. So I'd have to think that the measurements of the mixer would have to be very carefully planned out and spot on.

I too would like to see more. I'm with Ken on wanting to adapt this to the Reactors, especially the big ones. I just hate that awful feeling when flying the 8.6 or 10.8 and a gust comes along...

ripsessionkites - 5-3-2011 at 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bladerunner
Interesting side track !

I have a feeling I may want to try this with my Reactor ? I have to wonder what I will lose of the excellent bottom end I'm getting. I'll be interested in how it effects your bottom end ?

Please DO post on the results further . + can you please U2U me more details on how you went about it.

i have a spare UDS Kit that we can use.

Bladerunner - 5-3-2011 at 03:53 PM

Thanks Rip,

Plenty of time to tinker with our low winds this summer. I'm still interested in Hercs method + results. I have a 4 line bar a can probably dedicate to this venture.

Kamikuza - 24-3-2011 at 05:39 AM

Another one! Not sure about the colour ...

Pulsar - 25-3-2011 at 03:57 PM

Don't be alarmed, these colors are for prototypes only, the actual models will look different.

flyjump - 25-3-2011 at 04:26 PM

i'm anxious to see what bar set up they will use for the lei. i wonder if it'll be the nav bar

AD72 - 25-3-2011 at 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pulsar
Don't be alarmed, these colors are for prototypes only, the actual models will look different.

Insider info? Actually I am not too bothered by it. They do not have skulls, peace signs, furry animals or any of the usual ugly tube graphics. The Phantom of course is the exception for odd but cool graphics.

ripsessionkites - 25-3-2011 at 07:44 PM

it will have a new bar

tridude - 25-3-2011 at 08:30 PM

good looking kite..............pulleys, direct, or pilots call?

Kamikuza - 25-3-2011 at 09:29 PM

I can see pulleys in that last pic ...

AD72 - 26-3-2011 at 05:19 PM

So how did you find that photo Kami? I went to the hosting website and it is a Dutch kiteboarding site.
Rip what is the release date Q4?

Kamikuza - 26-3-2011 at 07:13 PM

kiteforum.com has a thread ...

Pulsar - 29-3-2011 at 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AD72
Insider info?

Kind of. I flew one of these on the same day the pics were taken.

PHREERIDER - 29-3-2011 at 01:33 PM

LEI ! looks like an c-hybrid. My navi bar worked great for my c-hybrid (esp. the stopper ball). and also my c-hybrid bar works great with my arcs!

RACE was mentioned in the thread i believe ....

i had a chance to ride the 183 Cab race board. in general it rides like a windsurfer/surf board, on top thru the finns and definitely no rail!

very technical ride and fast. the apex upwind device on the planet.

for a look... http://www.cabrinhakites.com/2011-raceboard.html

a friend has one and makes 10 mph air on the water look completely amazing. when he comes in and stops onshore kite just falls. crazy. (he also has Olympic windsurf skills which i thinks makes a difference)

carltb - 29-3-2011 at 03:17 PM

LIFTED FROM ARCUSERS FORUM.............

by MonkeyAir » Today, 9:03 pm

Ok.....The little date on my protos said 09....for the PL tubes but kites were pretty crispy and the R and D has been continuing. They did not want to release anything not ready for prime time. I used the nine meter tube a lot out here and with a modified caution bar, GK quick release and a flysurfer bag, nobody had a clue what sort of kite the logo less stealth kites were. The nine was fantastic turning and had great grunt per size. Good acceleration through the window and like the eleven proto that came later had about two million possible alternative bridle attachment point and they made a HUGE difference.

Wanted to get views from a light guy in a bit more consistent trades so team rider, Dr Stan got the nine to test and he is absolutely raving about it after re doing the bridles for some proto stretch length discrepancies. He absolutely loves the thing. It has good speed, power and de power he believes and just might be his all time favorite kite for low wind... He is a light guy and how low in wind speed he can go with that nine is really crazy. The kite is a bit lower aspect than some of the other flatter kites out there with still a bit of canopy curve for turning. I always have a truck load of other tube kites and more than likely other companies latest is in a buds hands next to me or on the beach nearby to compare. After moving the bridles forward and with the over year old bridle measurements, the kite does not stall at all and depowers well while still allowing an on tip whip. (This range is going to be hugely effected by new bridle) Light years difference with bridle adjustments. It is a simple one pump on the old protos we have and on 20 m lines, they deliver good apparent wind quickly and get power on up stroke with speed when you let the kite run as with an arc. No, it is not the speed of the small super low aspect D kites in turns but still ok with better power per size than many.
Got a great five hours starting in the ultimate light wind throwing the heck out of the kite with nobody else out to a solid 18 average, gusting to 24 down at Topanga the other day. The kite has HUGE upwind in combination with the keel fins on the old stapless fish it is a hard to beet combo at least with all the other kiters I have been around lately. Lots of cab 13 m guys, Naish etc, but the combo of 11 PL tub and fish was the upwind master after each down the line wave. The kite would park and pull without stall and it was not a perfect side off wind sort of situation, but rather more side shore wind direction. The glide of the big fish allowed floating over sections and making top to bottom sections. The speed towards the kite did not cause the usual early model tube kite stall. Chasing the kite is doable of course but and turning is good for this shape kite. I like super fast turning kites like Kimas and low aspect D kites for wave applications. THis kite is a good park and ride but like to be thrown around though the turn is just a little bit more open.

The speed and pull at the edge of the window is impressive. Some kites race to the edge and then...ooopps..where's the power. At least in the config of bridle points I am now running on the eleven you can sheet in enough to get great upwind and power. My makeshift proto bar has super long throw and it makes for a great amount of wind range from snap turning to letting it run. Obviously number of pulleys, location, bridle, etc makes for a large or small amount of depower per cm of chicken loop depower used. Not sure what final bridles are but if same as mine, in hopes the factory comes out with something like this.

They are well built in these early proto models and like many other brands, a lot of internal pressure for the bit flatter shape. The new protos and soon production kite will of course be a bit different than our protos and having spent so much time now on the protos, got to say, am excited for the release and to see which of the miraid of possible bridle attachment points, they keep on the kite.
So what of the charger 15, my everyday kite? .. Well with a baby and wife everyday is once in a while and whenever a new 15 comes in for me, another customer needs it. Really excited to get a run at a 15 charger with our stand up paddle board in the lightest of stuff. Now that there are some other pictures of the new PL with logos out, guess will get some of the old protos to put up as well. Arcs will always be in my quiver, nice to have this new option as well. Think they have a good all round tube from our experience on the protos. Yeah, I would like a pure low aspect D from PL for waves but this flatter shape works surprisingly well for the application with a board that carries momentum. Picked up a ninety nine dollar six foot one bit wider cornflake thruster short board off of Craig's list to test the ability of the PL eleven tube and a small surfboard for me. It would require the kite to show great upwind and grunt. The kite performed beautifully and I had a blast at County Line with it the other day. PL does work well with apparent wind and this baby also has some grunt. Guess the gang is going to find out it is not a caution or flysurfer tube kite after all...snicker,,,snicker....Another reason to keep the old bags and bars...Going to order as many of the new tube PLs as can to get around and get other reviews but am quite confident they filled that missing little thing for light wind and " a tube kite in the quiver" lots of arc users might consider. Time to order another charger 15m again as well but got to buy more diapers first.
Traig
MonkeyAir.com
Happyinsurf.com

Kamikuza - 29-3-2011 at 05:35 PM

How are they going to price it, I wonder?

ripsessionkites - 29-3-2011 at 11:22 PM

we are hoping for a release in the next little bit, while summer is still going on, Q2 is the goal

unfortunately these will not made it to The Kite Expo in time.

Kamikuza - 30-3-2011 at 01:56 AM

And more important than price - what sizes?

Kamikuza - 5-4-2011 at 06:10 AM

More public pimpage at arcusers!

Kamikuza - 5-4-2011 at 06:47 AM

http://www.arcusers.net/download/file.php?id=126

herc - 6-4-2011 at 04:29 AM

for those who didnt noticed yet: the new PL kites website is online:

http://peterlynn.com/

(some of the 2011 fixed bridle kite versions are online. but nothing spectacular yet)

flyjump - 6-4-2011 at 07:10 AM

i saw lots of secret gear at NABX, theres some good looking stuff thats coming out. if any of you are going to wildwood or jibe i have the Impulse if you would like to try flying it