Peter Lynn Kites LTD - Additions to the 2009/2010 buggy range.
This summer, riding a Peter Lynn buggy means choice. PL realises that buggies are as personal and varied as the riders themselves and so we have
developed as many choices into our range as possible. During our R and D we experimented with powder coating, mild steals and aluminum but found that
the longevity of the buggy was severely compromised. We found that stainless steel still provides the best platform for buggy designs and we are now
proudly one of the only stainless steel buggy manufacturers in the world. Whether its freestyle, racing, expeditions or anything in between, PL have
got you covered this summer.
The Ultra Light.
The new Ultra Light MkII buggy is capable of performing any freestyle trick in the book but offers the rider increased comfort, more manoeuvrability
and less stress on the chassis and rider. This is thanks largely to its slender design, composite rear axle and Lynn Leading Link suspension system.
At just 14kg the UL gives you a better feel and control without compromising strength and longevity.
The secret is transferring the loads sustained from heavy impacts and awkward landings into the suspension in the leading link and rear composite
axle. This reduces the stress on the rest of the frame and rider and this means longer, more comfortable buggy sessions.
The Lynn Leading Link was developed by Peter for the NABX buggy event held on the salt flats in Nevada. We have now utilised this technology in our
production buggies for you can reap the benefits.
The axle is a composition of custom made fiber tubing and stainless steel. We have the fiber tubing made to our specifications so we can accurately
control how much flex and strength is in each axle. We then use high grade 304 stainless steel at the major stress points, at the side frames joints
and where the wheels bolt on. We have found this combination to provide the best balance between strength, cushioning and weight.
The UL is no slouch on the race course either. At the recent Moose meet near Auckland in New Zealand PLK rider Craig Hansen won the short course
circuit racing in the UL and clocked a top speed of over 80km/h.
The F-lynn
Consistent with our philosophy of more choices for the rider the MkII is now available with an option to fit a Flexifoil seat. Dubbed 'The F-lynn',
this new conversion kit is available to fit any standard MkII or UL PL buggy. The F-lynn kit is just one of the ways Peter Lynn Kites is giving the
rider more choice.
Race/Expedition
Armed with the knowledge gained from our recent trip to Africa, PLK have revamped the buggies that were used to cross the Sahara and come up with a
design that is as comfortable on the race track as it is cruising the sand dunes of the Sahara.
The buggy features:
- The Lynn Leading Link suspension system to lessen the load on the rest of the buggy when you hit those unexpected pot holes
- A dropped rear axle to help lower the center of gravity for those high speed runs along the beach.
- The ability to adjust the camber of the rear wheels and the toe in, toe out.
- Space to fit a PL dry bag for extra storage of kites, water and safety equipment.
With all these new choices available combined with all of the current options for customising your buggy, like interchangeable forks and wheels, we at
PLK are confident we can meet your every buggying need. If there is anything else we can help you with or if you have any questions about a Peter Lynn
Product then please get in contact with us as we would love to hear from you.
Wow, the bigfoot with the leading link looks like it has some room in it. I'd like to sit in one of those. Maybe someone can get one to NABX this
year?DAKITEZ - 19-11-2009 at 10:35 AM
can I get one with brakes and speakers popeyethewelder - 19-11-2009 at 11:07 AM
Well its certainly an improvement....and good to see the leading link becoming main streamDAKITEZ - 19-11-2009 at 11:44 AM
Someone please help out a non-engineer on how that leading link works. I just can't figure how it smooths anything out, besides the bushings of course
will help a little, but i don't understand the barmacboy - 19-11-2009 at 12:23 PM
I don't think the bar really has much function except maybe some stability on the setup? If I understand them correctly it's like a bushing in a
skateboard truck. It's stiff but has give (thanks to the rubber). Smart actually. A simple solution to a problem that has had it's fair share of
complex solutions thrown at it. I'd bet that you could switch them out like eggs shocks for a softer/stiffer response (if they made bushings out of
differing compounds).
I hope the guy that came up with it got the proper compensation / recognition for this. I think it was one of your pals PTW? Or was it you? Or is it
an old school invention repurposed?rocfighter - 19-11-2009 at 12:36 PM
It's just like the stablizer bar in your car. The rubber bushings pinch the hoop in order to allow controled movement. The hoop it's self is to keep
every thing in line so it all works together.
And brakes just slow you down. Who needs that?DAKITEZ - 19-11-2009 at 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by rocfighter
And brakes just slow you down. Who needs that?
ME! Only on the lakebed. I'm fine in the grass and sand. I don't have the Hooj Ballz to pitch my buggy sideways to stop at 50 mph ... Thus all the
skirt talk :smug:DAKITEZ - 19-11-2009 at 12:48 PM
roc and mac I understand you, but i can not see it applying in this install. Your comparisons are comparing controlling the pitch or roll of two
wheels, but on the buggy we only have the one wheel. Atleast thats the way I see the swing arm description. The skate board truck maybe, but there
again its controlling the stiffness of the pitch (or lean). To me it would make more sense to have a coil over spring where that bushing is?
Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing this idea, just trying to get a better understanding of how it works. I love that fact that progression is being
made. I think there is plenty of room for improvement on the current buggies out there.action jackson - 19-11-2009 at 12:52 PM
These must be ordered in NZ!.............aj
cheezycheese - 19-11-2009 at 01:40 PM
i believe the bar offers the fork some sort of rigidity to reduce flex... i could be wrong though....:puzzled:rocfighter - 19-11-2009 at 01:45 PM
On my buggie I used a torsion bar system on the back to absorb the bumps. On the front I used an old worn ATV tire. Very large and low pressure.
Using a coil over in the trailing end of the hoop or to use spring loaded shocks on the sides would also be very affective. But also heavy. The way
PTW and now PL are doing it is effective and very light at the same time.
If I find over time my large tire is not enough I will redesign with a front suspension as well. But not sure wich way I will go with it.:puzzled:rocfighter - 19-11-2009 at 01:51 PM
If the bar was not there each side would flex on it's own. This would allow for the wheel to lean side to side withing the forks. In time this would
bind the wheel in the forks, or worse fatigue the axle and cause it to brake. It's also an alignment tool to keep every thing where it belongs. This
is where I got the stabalizer coment from.macboy - 19-11-2009 at 01:52 PM
I think the assembly is rigid thanks to the hoop around the wheel so the bushing only allows up and down travel of the wheel.
macboy - 19-11-2009 at 01:53 PM
Brought to you in sim-ul-post WELDNGOD - 19-11-2009 at 01:55 PM
If your so old ,you gotta have the suspension of a cadillac. you need to break out a lawn chair and get outta my way:moon:rocfighter - 19-11-2009 at 01:56 PM
As for brakes they would need to be on the rear wheels. If you applies a brake on the single front wheel at 50mph I feel it would be worse than
sliding to a stop. With out a live axle it would be hard to have brakes work both rear wheels. Unless it was a tread pad brake the ran off of a single
rod on the front of the axle and maybe a hand control. That's so crazy it just might work!rocfighter - 19-11-2009 at 01:59 PM
mmmmmmmmmm lawn chairs! Some are comfortable!WIllardTheGrey - 19-11-2009 at 02:39 PM
So any idea when they will be selling the bf front fork by itself and if it will fit a PL Monster buggy.BeamerBob - 19-11-2009 at 02:54 PM
I was already thinking about upgrading my front fork to the suspension model. This could be interesting. I've been looking at places to buggy while
in Cali and many of the fields I would ride in aren't all that smooth. I scored a nice soccer field that is smooth as butter but that's off limits if
there is a crowd there or enougn people I can't work around them to not interfere. That suspension would allow more speed before the bumps started
decreasing control.jellis - 19-11-2009 at 04:50 PM
The front suspension we have been using for quite a while from Libre works great on the small tires and the bigfoot buggy. Four suspension setups in
this group.
jellis - 19-11-2009 at 04:53 PM
Sunset Jim enjoys his suspension Libre Hardcore.
csa_deadon - 19-11-2009 at 10:24 PM
Nice pic Jon! LOL!
Love the suspension on my hardcore.ripsessionkites - 20-11-2009 at 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by DAKITEZ
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Originally posted by rocfighter
And brakes just slow you down. Who needs that?
ME! Only on the lakebed. I'm fine in the grass and sand. I don't have the Hooj Ballz to pitch my buggy sideways to stop at 50 mph ... Thus all the
skirt talk :smug:
you forgot to add Mic too. what good are the speakers if we cant hear your screaming amplified.
the brakes are for his skirt riding, true
love ya, DUDE!!!
trying to dig up old pictures, but Mongoose Mtn Boards use to have Drum Brakes "one side" than what we use on Mtn Boards now "V-Brakes".
we could fit two on there because of the speed. and have the brakes attach to the handles.
Daz-Skirtz, make sure you hit 60+ this year, Im having a hard time find a PINK Skirt during the winter months here in BC. hehehe. :roll::tumble::P:moon:Ozzy - 20-11-2009 at 10:08 AM
hmmm, I don't like suspension on a buggy,...suspension is energy, energy is speed,...so, lose the suspension,..and you got speed :singing: , the only
advantage of suspension is comfort, that's it....
Regards,
Ozzyvwbrian - 20-11-2009 at 11:23 AM
My suspension works great on the beach. Makes dune riding much better and more controlled. Not sure how good the PL suspension will work but it looks
like a copy of the libre front suspension but is missing something.rocfighter - 20-11-2009 at 04:28 PM
True the suspensions are speed robbing, so along with the torsion bar suspension on the rear of my buggy for comfort on rough terrain I also made a
straight axle. Wich is about 20inches wider. And on the front I have a smaller tire on the same size rim. So in about 10min. I can switch from comfort
to speed.
This is why like making things. Many options.bobalooie57 - 20-11-2009 at 04:54 PM
roc, you gotta find that camera and post us up some pics of that rat!heliboy50 - 20-11-2009 at 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by vwbrian
My suspension works great on the beach. Makes dune riding much better and more controlled. Not sure how good the PL suspension will work but it looks
like a copy of the libre front suspension but is missing something.
The libre suspension is set up a little differently- It still uses the rubber bushing as a pivot, but it also has that elastic strap for dampening.
The PTW forks are curved and use a larger bushing at an angle. Near as I can tell, it flexes enough to give your geometry back, and works sort of
like a pre-load, I think. I plan to build a version like it to smooth out the bumps at the airfield by my place. Sorry for the fork design hijack,
Rip. The new pL's look nice.jellis - 20-11-2009 at 10:03 PM
I haven't noticed any speed loss from a front suspension. Especially when we run off the edge of dunes, or wind blown rollers on the flats. Yes
suspension takes a lot of the bang off your knees and allows you to run faster over rough terrain. The Libre suspension has bushings and elastic bands
that can be increased or decreased in numbers to change the ride. We run 9 bands and up for hard riding in rough terrain. We run them on the Hardcore
with bigfoots and so far everyone that has ridden in one bought one. Must be something to it.RRR - 21-11-2009 at 08:48 AM
Heliboy 50 airfield would you like some company.RRR - 21-11-2009 at 11:54 AM
What is now new is old,
What is old is new,
" Look" at history is has happing in past...popeyethewelder - 22-11-2009 at 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by DAKITEZ
Someone please help out a non-engineer on how that leading link works. I just can't figure how it smooths anything out, besides the bushings of course
will help a little, but i don't understand the bar
ok here is the advantage of the LL
The first video shows how much vibration the pilot is suffering from on a rigid buggy, and then the same stretch of beach with a Viper Buggy
Suspension on the rear of a buggy can alter many characteristic's of a buggy as the buggy will tilt on the kite side when powered up ( unless there is
an anti roll bar added like on a car), but the front suspension is great, not only does it smooth out a rippled beach, it keeps the front wheel
permanently planted on the ground, that in turn equals maximum grip, with a fixed fork, you hit a 4" gulley at 40 mph your front wheel is way off the
ground that means for a split second you have zero grip on the front end....I have yet to be told by anybody who can give me a scientific reason why
the LL cannot go as fast as a rigid fork on an upwind runDAKITEZ - 22-11-2009 at 08:51 AM
Thanks PTW. Seeing it in action really helped me understand how it works.
I didn't pay enough attention to the pictures to notice that the forks do not go directly to the wheel axle. They are set back making it like a pivot
point. In the videos it looks like it works extremely well. Now I want one.popeyethewelder - 22-11-2009 at 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by DAKITEZ
Thanks PTW. Seeing it in action really helped me understand how it works.
I didn't pay enough attention to the pictures to notice that the forks do not go directly to the wheel axle. They are set back making it like a pivot
point. In the videos it looks like it works extremely well. Now I want one.
Believe me once you have rode a buggy with a LL you will never go back....I went back to old school with the superbug 2 and had a fixed fork....one
session on a quite smooth beach...I soon realised at the end of the day my knees were aching like mad. I soon made a new LL for the SB2
" THank You" Very good job on the expantion Carlas very very good..RRR - 22-11-2009 at 11:10 PM
" THank You" Very good job on the expantion Carlas very very good..ripsessionkites - 23-11-2009 at 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by DAKITEZ
Now I want one.
keeps your skirt from flapping up and down.
nice work Popeye!rocfighter - 23-11-2009 at 05:32 AM
Popeye,
Great photos of the assembly of the SuperBug 2. I realy like the alignment jig you have to keep it all in place when fabbing it. Far more dedicated
than my wood blocks and C clamps. Yours is more of a frame machine. May have to fab one up if and when I build another buggy.
Dave.
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